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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #195 on: January 23, 2017, 05:41:53 PM »
What if she accepts everything and follows it as explain to her by the Rabbi? It seems this really should be about the Rabbi that did the conversion and she is just the scapegoat.
Very much so, but do you think she would have converted if the standards were _______________?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #196 on: January 23, 2017, 05:43:07 PM »
...and for her the result was?
That's for the converting beis din to decide. And if some orthodox circles don't accept that beis din as legitimate they will not accept anyone that converted through them as Jewish.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #197 on: January 23, 2017, 05:43:14 PM »
I understand all that. I am working off the conversion was legit. You are saying it wasn't?
My understanding is that the conversion was legit, and at this point they are held to the same standard.

I certainly hope all of the reports of Shabbos violation are alternative facts.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #198 on: January 23, 2017, 05:44:32 PM »
Has anyone asked Rabbi Schwartz from the CRC if she's Jewish? He's a genius when it comes to geirus.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #199 on: January 23, 2017, 05:46:12 PM »
My understanding is that the conversion was legit, and at this point they are held to the same standard.

I certainly hope all of the reports of Shabbos violation are alternative facts.
So lets assume it was legit. If now she violated all 613 commandments she would still be a Jew, correct?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #200 on: January 23, 2017, 05:47:38 PM »
That's for the converting beis din to decide. And if some orthodox circles don't accept that beis din as legitimate they will not accept anyone that converted through them as Jewish.
So basically everyone decides on their own?
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #201 on: January 23, 2017, 05:51:16 PM »
Has anyone asked Rabbi Schwartz from the CRC if she's Jewish? He's a genius when it comes to geirus.
Maybe we have someone from Chicago here who can ask ;D
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #202 on: January 23, 2017, 05:53:05 PM »
Maybe we have someone from Chicago here who can ask ;D
As2 and he speaks the language.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #203 on: January 23, 2017, 05:54:40 PM »
So lets assume it was legit. If now she violated all 613 commandments she would still be a Jew, correct?
Yes
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #204 on: January 23, 2017, 05:58:57 PM »
TY! Any chance to write this so I can understand it?
Basically,  there's a  standard a convert is required to wholeheartedly accept.  That is determined by the administering court. If they set the bar real low that's incorrect,  but the conversion is still valid

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #205 on: January 23, 2017, 06:00:12 PM »
Basically,  there's a  standard a convert is required to wholeheartedly accept.  That is determined by the administering court. If they set the bar real low that's incorrect,  but the conversion is still valid
so if i convert s/o by telling him judaism only requires a beard that would be a good conversion?!

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #206 on: January 23, 2017, 06:01:16 PM »
Yes
So lets see if I have this right.
1 - She is either a Jew or not. No half way on this.
2 - If she is not a Jew then what she does over Shabbos doesn't matter.
3 - If she is a Jew then no matter what she did over Shabbos does not change the fact she is a Jew.

So all this about what she did or didn't do over Shabbos is a smokescreen. This is really about if you accept her conversion as legit.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #207 on: January 23, 2017, 06:02:31 PM »
So lets see if I have this right.
1 - She is either a Jew or not. No half way on this.
2 - If she is not a Jew then what she does over Shabbos doesn't matter.
3 - If she is a Jew then no matter what she did over Shabbos does not change the fact she is a Jew.

So all this about what she did or didn't do over Shabbos is a smokescreen. This is really about if you accept her conversion as legit.
Yes. The only reason people are focusing on it is that it may be indicative whether she was Jewish from the start.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #208 on: January 23, 2017, 06:04:40 PM »
Basically,  there's a  standard a convert is required to wholeheartedly accept.  That is determined by the administering court. If they set the bar real low that's incorrect,  but the conversion is still valid
That's highly debatable.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #209 on: January 23, 2017, 06:05:12 PM »
Yes. The only reason people are focusing on it is that it may be indicative whether she was Jewish from the start.
The only thing that matters is what she believed at time of conversion, correct? If she changes after that I thought you said that has no effect on the legitimacy of the conversion.
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