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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #210 on: January 23, 2017, 06:06:45 PM »
That's highly debatable.
That's why we're here. 

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #211 on: January 23, 2017, 06:07:17 PM »
The only thing that matters is what she accepted to do at time of conversion, correct? If she changes after that has no effect on the legitimacy of the conversion.
FTFY

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #212 on: January 23, 2017, 06:07:34 PM »
So lets assume it was legit. If now she violated all 613 commandments she would still be a Jew, correct?
correct
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #213 on: January 23, 2017, 06:07:45 PM »
As2 and he speaks the language.
I do see him on occasion and may very well ask next time. You're welcome to join me, we can have a conversion DO
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #214 on: January 23, 2017, 06:09:07 PM »
I do see him on occasion and may very well ask next time. You're welcome to join me, we can have a conversion DO
Do it a shallots and you'll get a lot more people to come
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #215 on: January 23, 2017, 06:10:18 PM »
so if i convert s/o by telling him judaism only requires a beard that would be a good conversion?!
There's a minimum standard. I'm working from memory,  but there's a tosfos in menachos (I think) a lot of this part of hilchos geirus is based on. I haven't learned this for a while,  and Dan is correct,  it's all very debatable.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #216 on: January 23, 2017, 06:10:53 PM »
So lets see if I have this right.
1 - She is either a Jew or not. No half way on this.
2 - If she is not a Jew then what she does over Shabbos doesn't matter.
3 - If she is a Jew then no matter what she did over Shabbos does not change the fact she is a Jew.

So all this about what she did or didn't do over Shabbos is a smokescreen. This is really about if you accept her conversion as legit.

Close.  If the rabbi who allegedly gave them an unwarranted exemption in fact did so, and he is the same rabbi who converted her, there is room to claim that the rabbi who converted her is not qualified to administrate conversions.  The article I linked earlier seems to convincingly put such claims to rest.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #217 on: January 23, 2017, 06:11:28 PM »
Do it a shallots and you'll get a lot more people to come
Don't want more people. With just the two of them I will get 4 different answers.  :P
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #218 on: January 23, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »
The article I linked earlier seems to convincingly put such claims to rest.
That is the basis for my questions.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #219 on: January 23, 2017, 06:14:21 PM »
Don't want more people. With just the two of them I will get 4 different answers.  :P
Lol
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #220 on: January 23, 2017, 06:18:04 PM »
Close.  If the rabbi who allegedly gave them an unwarranted exemption in fact did so, and he is the same rabbi who converted her, there is room to claim that the rabbi who converted her is not qualified to administrate conversions.  The article I linked earlier seems to convincingly put such claims to rest.
that article didnt prove anything imo.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #221 on: January 23, 2017, 06:19:32 PM »
that article didnt prove anything imo.

convincing ~= proof

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #222 on: January 23, 2017, 06:20:40 PM »
convincing ~= proof
he basically said he thinks she was mekabel

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #223 on: January 23, 2017, 06:42:25 PM »
So lets assume it was legit. If now she violated all 613 commandments she would still be a Jew, correct?
Yes

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #224 on: January 23, 2017, 06:46:45 PM »
The only thing that matters is what she believed at time of conversion, correct? If she changes after that I thought you said that has no effect on the legitimacy of the conversion.
The question is, do subsequent violations indicate that the acceptance was insincere, or is it just a human failing, which we all do to some extent.