Keeping Up With The Kushners

[yitrap]

מידכם
Ftfy!

Touché

[JTZ]

If a non Jew keeps Shabbos that is actually an issue, just saying.

What's the issue?

[MeirS]

What's the issue?

In short, the Torah (I believe it's brought in the Talmud) prohibits a non Jew From keeping Shabbos.

[yitrap]

What's the issue?

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/20585/why-shouldnt-gentiles-keep-shabbat

[JTZ]

http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/20585/why-shouldnt-gentiles-keep-shabbat

Ouch! Can anyone understand how this would look from a non-Jews perspective?

[yitrap]

Ouch! Can anyone understand how this would look from a non-Jews perspective?

Rambam offers a solution.

"
The general principle governing these matters is: They are not to be allowed to originate a new religion or create mitzvot for themselves based on their own decisions. They may either become righteous converts and accept all the mitzvot or retain their statutes without adding or detracting from them
"

[Cheesecake]

Ouch! Can anyone understand how this would look from a non-Jews perspective?

Don't lump all non-Jews together.

[JTZ]

Don't lump all non-Jews together.

Lets make it all common sense non-Jews then.

[JTZ]

Rambam offers a solution.

"
The general principle governing these matters is: They are not to be allowed to originate a new religion or create mitzvot for themselves based on their own decisions. They may either become righteous converts and accept all the mitzvot or retain their statutes without adding or detracting from them
"

What about for someone that just wants to try it?

[johnshek]

Ouch! Can anyone understand how this would look from a non-Jews perspective?

Common sense non-jews would probably recognize that they didn't believe there existed such a thing as shabbos.

[JTZ]

Common sense non-jews would probably recognize that they didn't believe there existed such a thing as shabbos.

Actually there are many that do. Oprah did a show about it. Guess how many viewers she has? 

[yitrap]

What about for someone that just wants to try it?

Light a fire and blow it out 5 minutes into shabbos...

Know the famous joke about the guy who wanted to become Jewish?

Sometime into the learning process he spent a Shabbos with his Rabbi, shortly before the end of Shabbos the Rabbi comes over to him and reminds him that he's not allowed to keep the entire shabbos so he needs to do a "Melacha" (action forbidden on Shabbos)

He replies "Oh, Don't worry - I already took care of that, I carried outside"

The rabbi responds "But there is an Eruv"

He says back "Ha, I don't hold of the Eruv"

[johnshek]

Actually there are many that do. Oprah did a show about it. Guess how many viewers she has? 

Sounds confusing. And since when does the amount of viewers speak about quality of the viewership or what they're viewing. Justin bieber has a billion views on his garbage too...

[Boruch999]

What about for someone that just wants to try it?

There are ways to try it.  I believe one violation of a Shabbos prohibition at any time over Shabbos takes care of the issue.

[Boruch999]

Light a fire and blow it out 5 minutes into shabbos...

To clarify, the lighting must be done after the onset of shabbos.  Why blow it out?

[yitrap]

To clarify, the lighting must be done after the onset of shabbos.  Why blow it out?

Why waste the candle no need to actually blow it out

[johnshek]

To clarify, the lighting must be done after the onset of shabbos.  Why blow it out?

Light shabbos licht and blow them out. Slightly ironic😕

[Cheesecake]

Lets make it all common sense non-Jews then.

How would you know?

[ChAiM'l]

But that is the point. There needs to be a name that is instantly self defining rather than some hybrid Orthodox term that is murky and can be confused with full practicing Orthodox Jews. It would be much better if these groups didn't feel the need to use the term Orthodox at all but given the fact that they do use the term and that this tends to lead to "well if they say they are Orthodox why do they do xyz", the term Culturally Orthodox would eliminate this problem. This does not mean that it would have any religious significance from an orthodox perspective, it would just be a functionally descriptive term.

It's called Heterodoxy.

[CS1]

Whofff 19 pages about the Kushners.. A I care is if they had Gefilta fish and tomato dip Friday night in the WH

Apparently Ivanka makes an excellent cholent. Here's her recipe (family tradition, handed down from her shvigger ) Link: http://bit.ly/IvankasCholentRecipe