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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #560 on: May 02, 2017, 11:39:02 PM »
What Secret Service spent on Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump's Whistler trip 


When Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner took their family to a ski resort in Whistler, Canada during Passover last month, U.S. Secret Service went, too, and the cost of their portion of the trip was over $65,000.

CBS News' Laura Stricker confirms, based on a review of federal purchase orders, that the U.S. Secret Service spent the following on Jared Kushner's and Ivanka Trump's family trip:

$6,884.03 for "multi-day ski passes for USSS personnel"
$59,654.39 for "hotel accommodations for USSS personnel"
The purchase orders to do not appear to show the travel costs incurred for Secret Service on the trip


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-secret-service-spent-on-jared-kushner-and-ivanka-trumps-whistler-trip/

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #561 on: May 03, 2017, 01:35:54 AM »

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #563 on: May 19, 2017, 02:08:48 AM »
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #564 on: May 19, 2017, 02:09:27 AM »
Can we put an end to this nonsense and face the fact they don't always observe the Sabbath!
+1 I was about to comment "not again"
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Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #565 on: May 19, 2017, 02:09:41 AM »
Can we put an end to this nonsense and face the fact they don't always observe the Sabbath!
+1, who cares anyway, what business is it of yours?
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« Reply #566 on: May 19, 2017, 02:11:43 AM »
+1, who cares anyway, what business is it of yours?
IMHO it does a disservice to ones religion. No different than the meat dispensation given to Catholics for St Pattys day.
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« Reply #567 on: May 19, 2017, 02:16:06 AM »
IMHO it does a disservice to ones religion. No different than the meat dispensation given to Catholics for St Pattys day.
I was referring to the OP, not you, I agree with you.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #568 on: May 19, 2017, 02:24:32 AM »
Can we put an end to this nonsense and face the fact they don't always observe the Sabbath!
Since when does flying on a plane directly violate the Sabbath?
ETA: Couldn't read the article on my phone. Commenting based on the headline in the URL.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #569 on: May 19, 2017, 02:35:59 AM »
Can we put an end to this nonsense and face the fact they don't always observe the Sabbath!
She wrote in her book she does. Is she lying? (playing devil's advocate to a large degree, but I see why people have a problem with that).

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« Reply #570 on: May 19, 2017, 02:40:57 AM »
She wrote in her book she does. Is she lying? (playing devil's advocate to a large degree, but I see why people have a problem with that).
I am not calling anyone a liar. I am giving you an outsiders point of view.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #571 on: May 19, 2017, 03:40:57 AM »
Can we put an end to this nonsense and face the fact they don't always observe the Sabbath!

Traveling in a car or an airplane on the Sabbath when Halacha allows for it is not called  not observing the Sabbath.  Most here may question the Halachik dispensation they rely on but it is difficult to say catagorically that the don;t always observe the Sabbath.

Example:  When an Orthodox Jew, who is under normal circumstances enjoined from driving his car, does so in order to save a life, he is certainly said to be observing the Sabbath.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #572 on: May 19, 2017, 03:43:11 AM »
Example:  When an Orthodox Jew, who is under normal circumstances enjoined from driving his car, does so in order to save a life, he is certainly said to be observing the Sabbath.
That is not true, he is breaking Shabbos, he's just allowed to do so, big difference from relying on a leniency that would allow you to travel in a car/plane on Shabbos.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #573 on: May 19, 2017, 03:54:04 AM »
That is not true, he is breaking Shabbos, he's just allowed to do so, big difference

Debatable. He isn't legally breaking the laws of shabbos. The laws of shabbos do not exist in that case.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #574 on: May 19, 2017, 03:55:12 AM »
Debatable. He isn't legally breaking the laws of shabbos. The laws of shabbos do not exist in that case.
Ok, granted, but you definitely can't say that he is observing Shabbos.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #575 on: May 19, 2017, 04:02:04 AM »
Ok, granted, but you definitely can't say that he is observing Shabbos.
Speak to your LHR about that.
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« Reply #576 on: May 19, 2017, 04:02:39 AM »
Speak to your LHR about that.
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #577 on: May 19, 2017, 04:10:43 AM »
That is not true, he is breaking Shabbos, he's just allowed to do so, big difference from relying on a leniency that would allow you to travel in a car/plane on Shabbos.

When the OP said
they don't always observe the Sabbath!

he meant they are not really Shomer Shabbos all the time, in contrast to most of the members here.  You may not chose to rely on the heterim they got, nor would I like to. It's difficult, however, to say they are not always shomer shabbos.

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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #578 on: May 19, 2017, 04:19:01 AM »
Ok, granted, but you definitely can't say that he is observing Shabbos.

The Observation of Shabbos is by making kiddush. He may not be observing the Issur Melacha
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Re: Keeping Up With The Kushners
« Reply #579 on: May 19, 2017, 04:22:33 AM »
The Observation of Shabbos is by making kiddush. He may not be observing the Issur Melacha
is there a mekor for that