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Abortion = Murder?
« on: January 24, 2017, 04:19:04 PM »
For JTZ.

If life begins at conception, there should be no difference between killing a fetus and killing a person who was born already.

You don't support laws against abortion (CMIIW), yet do support (I hope) laws against murder.

I think that is inconsistent.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 04:21:30 PM »
Is killing a human life murder?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2017, 04:24:54 PM »
Is killing a human life murder?
Sometimes.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2017, 04:28:06 PM »

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2017, 04:37:04 PM »
How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2017, 04:42:37 PM »
How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

Usually that's called genocide. Amalek is a special case.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2017, 04:43:15 PM »
How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?
Why don't you tell us what your getting at.
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 04:43:30 PM »
Usually that's called genocide. Amalek is a special case.
Please answer the question.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2017, 04:44:42 PM »
How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

Sometimes.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2017, 04:44:47 PM »
Life as we know it doesnt necessarily start at conception.
Memories last forever, make them while you can.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2017, 04:46:38 PM »

Since you don't understand what murder is then there is no need for this conversation.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2017, 04:47:49 PM »
Since you don't understand what murder is then there is no need for this conversation.
man, you are really good at deflection and avoidance. Just an objective observation

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2017, 04:47:54 PM »
Life as we know it doesnt necessarily start at conception.
According to Halacha.

And even after it did, there are cases where we apply the דין רודף if mother is in danger (which IINM might also apply to mental danger - but check with your LOR if that is ever an issue for you).
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2017, 04:50:19 PM »
How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?
Could you please define "race of people". Is a "race of people" (as opposed to human race) similar to what we would call a "breed" when referring to animals?

I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2017, 04:51:01 PM »
To clarify, I was asking about your inconsistency, based on your views and definition of murder.

You deflected it to ask about my definition of murder, which is irrelevant to my question.

You thereby avoided answering the question.

Again.