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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2017, 04:54:22 PM »
Could you please define "race of people".
How about a group or number of people? Is that better? Like you don't know where I am going with this.  ::)
I am not the one who started this thread.  ;)
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2017, 04:56:25 PM »
To clarify, I was asking about your inconsistency, based on your views and definition of murder.

You deflected it to ask about my definition of murder, which is irrelevant to my question.

You thereby avoided answering the question.

Again.
What a short memory we have.
Start a new thread and we can talk about it all you want. I will guarantee you that most here will not like the questions I ask that paint some of you as murderers.  ;)
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2017, 05:07:07 PM »
How about a group or number of people? Is that better? Like you don't know where I am going with this.  ::)
I am not the one who started this thread.  ;)
I was off the grid for a while, so I am still trying to figure out where this thread came from, let alone where it's going. But I will never miss an opportunity to put some good seasoning on popcorn (as long as it ain't stale or burnt)  ;).
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 05:21:18 PM »
I was off the grid for a while, so I am still trying to figure out where this thread came from, let alone where it's going. But I will never miss an opportunity to put some good seasoning on popcorn (as long as it ain't stale or burnt)  ;).
This is both stale and burnt
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 05:22:50 PM »
What a short memory we have.
I knew you would turn it into a discussion of Amalek.

Regardless, please answer the question first.

How do you explain not wanting to legislate against certain types of murder?

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 05:27:57 PM »
I knew you would turn it into a discussion of Amalek.
..and you decide to start this thread anyway?  ::)

You want to know if abortion = murder. I need to know what you consider murder to answer that. I will make this easy for you. Is killing a 1 year old Amalek murder?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2017, 05:31:59 PM »
..and you decide to start this thread anyway?  ::)

You want to know if abortion = murder. I need to know what you consider murder to answer that. I will make this easy for you. Is killing a 1 year old Amalek murder?

Not if G-d told you to do it.  We can have this discussion when PP claim they are performing abortions because G-d told them to ;)

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2017, 05:32:38 PM »
..and you decide to start this thread anyway?  ::)

You want to know if abortion = murder. I need to know what you consider murder to answer that. I will make this easy for you. Is killing a 1 year old Amalek murder?

Acc. to Jewish law, no.
Acc. to secular law, yes.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2017, 05:34:56 PM »
Firstly, check your yichus, you're answering questions with questions. Religious reasons, right or wrong, are a different scenario than simply doing something because of your own personal circumstances.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2017, 05:36:39 PM »
Not if G-d told you to do it. 
Very interesting but now you opened up another can of worms. If someone says their religion claims G-d told them to do it that makes it ok and not murder. How much deeper you want to dig this hole?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2017, 05:42:54 PM »
Very interesting but now you opened up another can of worms. If someone says their religion claims G-d told them to do it that makes it ok and not murder. How much deeper you want to dig this hole?

You can't use religion to justify murder in a court of law.
You can use religion to justify it to yourself but you must be willing to face the consequences.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2017, 05:44:20 PM »
If someone says their religion claims G-d told them to do it that makes it ok and not murder.
doesn't mean I won't kill him first in self defense

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2017, 05:47:48 PM »
..and you decide to start this thread anyway?  ::)

You want to know if abortion = murder. I need to know what you consider murder to answer that. I will make this easy for you. Is killing a 1 year old Amalek murder?
I am asking according to your definition, not mine.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2017, 05:48:57 PM »
Very interesting but now you opened up another can of worms. If someone says their religion claims G-d told them to do it that makes it ok and not murder. How much deeper you want to dig this hole?
It depends if they're right. If G-d didn't really allow it, then it's murder.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2017, 05:49:43 PM »
Now please answer my question.