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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #165 on: November 09, 2017, 05:44:59 PM »
Well, JTZ left us before we could really sort it out. Really ready for Friday aren't you?
You are the one to blame for me asking.  :P
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #166 on: November 09, 2017, 05:54:56 PM »
If it is murder then it makes no difference if the baby is from a rape etc. If it is not then it makes no difference if it isn't. Why do some politicians make that distinction?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #167 on: November 09, 2017, 06:06:02 PM »
If it is murder then it makes no difference if the baby is from a rape etc. If it is not then it makes no difference if it isn't. Why do some politicians make that distinction?
I guess easier to justify in their own mind? Also they look at the polls.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #168 on: November 09, 2017, 06:10:38 PM »
Murder is an unlawful killing with malice aforethought.


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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #169 on: November 09, 2017, 06:10:52 PM »
I guess easier to justify in their own mind? Also they look at the polls.
Except that by doing so they lose the entire moral justification. Do you mean to say that the polls count more than something they claim to be murder? Shocking.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #170 on: November 09, 2017, 06:11:53 PM »
Murder is an unlawful killing with malice aforethought.
According to this the Nazis weren't murderers.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #171 on: November 09, 2017, 06:18:05 PM »
Except that by doing so they lose the entire moral justification. Do you mean to say that the polls count more than something they claim to be murder? Shocking.
By the polls I mean they will have more support if they make an exception for rape. Doesn't mean they believe it to be right but better to save some lives than none.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #172 on: November 09, 2017, 06:53:48 PM »
If it is murder then it makes no difference if the baby is from a rape etc. If it is not then it makes no difference if it isn't. Why do some politicians make that distinction?

You can make an argument that the woman should not have to suffer significant emotional pain through no fault of her own. Like an emotional Rodef? (Obviously not talking from a Jewish POV)

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #173 on: November 09, 2017, 06:55:49 PM »
You can make an argument that the woman should not have to suffer significant emotional pain through no fault of her own. Like an emotional Rodef? (Obviously not talking from a Jewish POV)
To commit murder?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #174 on: November 09, 2017, 06:58:48 PM »
To commit murder?

Is killing a rodef murder?
Emotional pain can be worse than death.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #175 on: November 09, 2017, 07:00:40 PM »
Is killing a rodef murder?
Psychological pain can be worse than death.
Well, Trump is causing psychological pain too. Should we kill him?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #176 on: November 09, 2017, 07:01:34 PM »
Well, Trump is causing psychological pain too. Should we kill him?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #177 on: November 09, 2017, 07:08:04 PM »
Well, Trump is causing psychological pain too. Should we kill him?

So liberals are equal to rape victims?
Explains all the incessant screeching.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #178 on: November 09, 2017, 07:09:27 PM »
So liberals are equal to rape victims?
Explains all the incessant screeching.
Where will you draw the line of which innocent person should be killed? What about a baby which was born from a rape?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #179 on: November 09, 2017, 07:11:32 PM »
Where will you draw the line of which innocent person should be killed? What about a baby which was born from a rape?
or all down syndrome fetuses