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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #180 on: November 09, 2017, 07:12:15 PM »
or all down syndrome fetuses
Or 6 month old babies.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #181 on: November 09, 2017, 07:14:10 PM »
Where will you draw the line of which innocent person should be killed? What about a baby which was born from a rape?

I draw the line by Torah values.
What would I answer hypothetically for the politicians?
Probably at the point where the baby has brain activity.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #182 on: November 09, 2017, 07:15:28 PM »
I draw the line by Torah values.
What would I answer hypothetically for the politicians?
Probably at the point where the baby has brain activity.
For someone who believes that from conception is already murder what is the significance of that line?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #183 on: November 09, 2017, 07:40:55 PM »
According to this the Nazis weren't murderers.

Is that so troubling that the nazis weren't guilty of a particular common law crime ? There are a lot of crimes the nazis didn't do.  In a lot of countries. 

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #184 on: November 09, 2017, 08:33:18 PM »
I dont know why this discussion isnt concluded just by looking at a sonogram... as live as can be
-1 fetus is attached to the mother and is living only through her. Nothing to do with life and it being a human being.

Proof is that there are many totally non-viable fetuses that "live" and swim around in the womb.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #185 on: November 09, 2017, 08:36:59 PM »
fetus is attached to the mother and is living only through her.
At what point is this not true?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #186 on: November 09, 2017, 08:43:08 PM »
At what point is this not true?
When it breaths on it's own independently.

I'm not posting an actual opinion on abortion. Was just responding to his post..

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #187 on: November 09, 2017, 08:45:18 PM »
When it breaths on it's own independently.
How do we know when that is? Is there any way to really know?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #188 on: November 09, 2017, 08:59:00 PM »
How do we know when that is? Is there any way to really know?
It can't breathe until it is born
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #189 on: November 09, 2017, 09:00:32 PM »
How do we know when that is? Is there any way to really know?
Pretty obvious. Can tell by color of the lips and skin. If a baby is blue it means not breathing well on its own.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #190 on: November 09, 2017, 09:03:20 PM »
It can't breathe until it is born
That's not what I asked.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #191 on: November 09, 2017, 09:04:37 PM »
That's not what I asked.
He did not write about abilityand neither did you, so what did you ask?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #192 on: November 09, 2017, 09:05:09 PM »
Pretty obvious. Can tell by color of the lips and skin. If a baby is blue it means not breathing well on its own.
What if a fetus is aborted at 6 months (just picked a number). How would you know if it could breath on its own?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #193 on: November 09, 2017, 09:06:38 PM »
He did not write about ability.
He is very capable of answering on his own.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #194 on: November 09, 2017, 09:09:34 PM »
He is very capable of answering on his own.
What does he need to answer?
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.