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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #195 on: November 09, 2017, 09:10:53 PM »
What does he need to answer?
It would be a lot easier without you jumping in.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #196 on: November 09, 2017, 09:18:12 PM »
It would be a lot easier without you jumping in.
Me jumping in? I was here first?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #197 on: November 09, 2017, 09:46:11 PM »
What about the possibility that it's not murder, but it's something else. Never hear that from any side, only the torah.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #198 on: November 09, 2017, 11:06:29 PM »
If it is murder then it makes no difference if the baby is from a rape etc. If it is not then it makes no difference if it isn't. Why do some politicians make that distinction?
It's equivocating.
Politicians do it all the time. The rape exception arose because in the political discourse, right wing Christians felt that they had to give in to that exception, even though they believe that in the case of rape, or even in the case where a mother's life is in danger, the unborn baby's life comes first.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #199 on: November 09, 2017, 11:46:48 PM »
It's equivocating.
Politicians do it all the time. The rape exception arose because in the political discourse, right wing Christians felt that they had to give in to that exception, even though they believe that in the case of rape, or even in the case where a mother's life is in danger, the unborn baby's life comes first.
Then they twist themselves into pretzels saying stupidities like claiming the woman can shut the system down when needed and the like.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #200 on: November 09, 2017, 11:47:37 PM »
What about the possibility that it's not murder, but it's something else. Never hear that from any side, only the torah.
If it isn't murder isn't it automatically something else?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #201 on: November 10, 2017, 07:42:26 AM »
If it isn't murder isn't it automatically something else?
Yes it's abortion. But you know what I mean.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #202 on: November 10, 2017, 07:59:52 AM »
What if a fetus is aborted at 6 months (just picked a number). How would you know if it could breath on its own?
All I said was in response to a post that said: "just look at the sonogram, it's alive"
That is a false proof. There are fetuses missing vital organs who look just dandy in the womb. This is because life is sustained by the mother.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #203 on: May 15, 2019, 11:37:50 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-passes-bill-that-would-make-almost-all-abortions-illegal-house-dems-target-trump-lawyers
What a great day!
Alabama makes nearly all abortions illegal (except for cases where the mother is in danger).
Hopefully, this spreads to other states as well. Doctors get life in prison for murdering babies. Imagine that! snuffing out a life is a punishable crime.

So much fun watching libs cry how Alabama is stopping baby slaying. Crazy Bernie says baby slaying is a constitutional right.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-abortion-a-constitutional-right
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #204 on: May 15, 2019, 11:59:28 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-passes-bill-that-would-make-almost-all-abortions-illegal-house-dems-target-trump-lawyers
What a great day!
Alabama makes nearly all abortions illegal (except for cases where the mother is in danger).
Hopefully, this spreads to other states as well. Doctors get life in prison for murdering babies. Imagine that! snuffing out a life is a punishable crime.

So much fun watching libs cry how Alabama is stopping baby slaying. Crazy Bernie says baby slaying is a constitutional right.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-abortion-a-constitutional-right
Right so when a woman gets raped and shes in no danger...

And every other scenario where Rabbanim are matir...

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #205 on: May 15, 2019, 12:09:18 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-passes-bill-that-would-make-almost-all-abortions-illegal-house-dems-target-trump-lawyers
What a great day!
Alabama makes nearly all abortions illegal (except for cases where the mother is in danger).
Hopefully, this spreads to other states as well. Doctors get life in prison for murdering babies. Imagine that! snuffing out a life is a punishable crime.

So much fun watching libs cry how Alabama is stopping baby slaying. Crazy Bernie says baby slaying is a constitutional right.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-abortion-a-constitutional-right
Bernie has a SCOTUS ruling on his side you know.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #206 on: May 15, 2019, 12:12:20 PM »
Right so when a woman gets raped and shes in no danger...
  This bill bans morning after?

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And every other scenario where Rabbanim are matir...

G-d decides when life begins. Halacha is informed by the word of G-d. It can morally differentiate between different points of development of the fetus.  Secular law makes no such claim to a divine source.  It can not morally differentiate between different points of development of the fetus. 

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #207 on: May 15, 2019, 12:13:35 PM »
Bernie has a SCOTUS ruling on his side you know.

That was a pretty crazy SCOTUS.  ;D

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #208 on: May 15, 2019, 12:44:22 PM »
Arguments libs use to defend baby slaying are mind-numbing:

Rep. John Rogers of Birmingham, AL

"Some kids are unwanted, so you kill them now or you kill them later. You bring them in the world unwanted, unloved, you send them to the electric chair. So, you kill them now or you kill them later"

Clearly, this dem agrees that abortion = murder. And if you listen to other libs, it's clear that many are of the same opinion.

But John holds that since the mother wants to slay her infant, then if she can't, the baby won't get enough love anyhow and will probably get the electric chair.

Scary.

First off, very few people receive the death penalty even in a state that allows it, so the odds are stacked against it. But anyhow, can we shoot a kid that doesn't have a loving parent?

Other genius arguments are along the lines of, "do you know how hard it is to carry a baby?"

In other words, it may well be manslaughter but vacuuming out the baby is OK because it's really hard to hold that baby for nine months.

Wow.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #209 on: May 15, 2019, 01:10:29 PM »
So he just said that every woman who wants an abortion doesn’t know how to love a child & would raise them so bad that they would end up committing the most violent crimes imaginable.
Now how would liberals react had a republican said the exact same thing ?