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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #285 on: May 15, 2019, 07:25:30 PM »
I should tell them that they shouldn't gas the Jewish people?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #286 on: May 15, 2019, 07:27:51 PM »
Lol, yea let's equate the American government to sanhendrin, sure buddy. Keep living in your fantasy world and don't come crying to me when they come knocking on your door.
You are the one who made a sweeping statement of how the government, in general, has no right to interfere with how you live your life and should leave baby slaying alone. Wrong regarding American government or any government. Wrong regarding sanhedrin. Wrong regarding G-d
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #287 on: May 15, 2019, 07:37:08 PM »
Lol, yea let's equate the American government to sanhendrin, sure buddy. Keep living in your fantasy world and don't come crying to me when they come knocking on your door.
Ah yes, the Alabama government is the same as the sanhedrin. Sounds legit.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #288 on: May 15, 2019, 08:34:17 PM »
Did this thread just suddenly go to the crapper? Wow.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #289 on: May 15, 2019, 09:35:26 PM »
Did this thread just suddenly go to the crapper? Wow.
Amazing. Who would have thought that?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #290 on: May 15, 2019, 11:35:57 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-passes-bill-that-would-make-almost-all-abortions-illegal-house-dems-target-trump-lawyers
What a great day!
Alabama makes nearly all abortions illegal (except for cases where the mother is in danger).
Hopefully, this spreads to other states as well. Doctors get life in prison for murdering babies. Imagine that! snuffing out a life is a punishable crime.

So much fun watching libs cry how Alabama is stopping baby slaying. Crazy Bernie says baby slaying is a constitutional right.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-abortion-a-constitutional-right
Beautiful !!!!!
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #291 on: May 16, 2019, 03:18:48 AM »
Amazing. Who would have thought that?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #292 on: May 16, 2019, 07:17:33 AM »
The Alabama law doesn't have a carve out for rape cases. That jives with a Halachic worldview?

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #293 on: May 16, 2019, 07:43:31 AM »
The Alabama law doesn't have a carve out for rape cases. That jives with a Halachic worldview?


  This bill bans morning after?

G-d decides when life begins. Halacha is informed by the word of G-d. It can morally differentiate between different points of development of the fetus.  Secular law makes no such claim to a divine source.  It can not morally differentiate between different points of development of the fetus.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #294 on: May 16, 2019, 07:46:28 AM »

I've answered this claim 8 times.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #295 on: May 16, 2019, 07:49:01 AM »


Because maybe people should be free to ask their religious leaders these questions and not worry that the law is in contrast with their ruling.

I'm all for reasonable restrictions on abortion that leave enough flexibility to allow that to happen in cases such that there are no need for religious exceptions (kind of like Roe which heavily restricts 3rd term abortions when the fetus could actually survive outside the uterus.)


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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #296 on: May 16, 2019, 07:49:25 AM »
I've answered this claim 8 times.
Link?

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #297 on: May 16, 2019, 07:51:31 AM »


I'm not sure what your position is.  Is it that frum Jews should not be happy with the Alabama law because it restricts abortions that halacha may allow?

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #298 on: May 16, 2019, 07:55:06 AM »
I'm not sure what your position is.  Is it that Frum Jews should not be happy with the Alabama law because it restricts abortions that halacha may allow?
Correct. And proposing religious exemptions either favors one religion over another (unconstitutional) or creates a sitatuon where no reasonable abortion law can stand because anyone can then join the church of Satan that mandates abortion whenever the mother wants.

I also take issue with the absolute claims that  abortion = murder according to Halacha, as well as the concept that Jewish people should pursue legal avenues in a secular government to enforce 7 mitzvos Bnai Noach.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #299 on: May 16, 2019, 07:57:01 AM »
Correct. And proposing religious exemptions either favors one religion over another (unconstitutional) or creates a sitatuon where no reasonable abortion law can stand because anyone can then join the church of Satan that mandates abortion whenever the mother wants.

I also take issue with the absolute claims that  abortion = murder according to Halacha, as well as the concept that Jewish people should pursue legal avenues in a secular government to enforce 7 mitzvos Bnai Noach.
Very well said.
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