Abortion = Murder?

[Cheesecake]

For JTZ.

If life begins at conception, there should be no difference between killing a fetus and killing a person who was born already.

You don't support laws against abortion (CMIIW), yet do support (I hope) laws against murder.

I think that is inconsistent.

[JTZ]

Is killing a human life murder?

[Boruch999]

Is killing a human life murder?

Sometimes.

[Cheesecake]

Sometimes.

+1

[JTZ]

How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

[Boruch999]

How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

Usually that's called genocide. Amalek is a special case.

[grodnoking]

How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

Why don't you tell us what your getting at.

[JTZ]

Usually that's called genocide. Amalek is a special case.

Please answer the question.

[Cheesecake]

How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

Sometimes.

[as2]

Life as we know it doesnt necessarily start at conception.

[JTZ]

Since you don't understand what murder is then there is no need for this conversation.

[Cheesecake]

Since you don't understand what murder is then there is no need for this conversation.

man, you are really good at deflection and avoidance. Just an objective observation

[ExGingi]

Life as we know it doesnt necessarily start at conception.

According to Halacha.

And even after it did, there are cases where we apply the דין רודף if mother is in danger (which IINM might also apply to mental danger - but check with your LOR if that is ever an issue for you).

[ExGingi]

How about taking the lives/killing of a whole race of people? Is that murder?

Could you please define "race of people". Is a "race of people" (as opposed to human race) similar to what we would call a "breed" when referring to animals?

[Cheesecake]

To clarify, I was asking about your inconsistency, based on your views and definition of murder.

You deflected it to ask about my definition of murder, which is irrelevant to my question.

You thereby avoided answering the question.

Again.

[JTZ]

Could you please define "race of people".

How about a group or number of people? Is that better? Like you don't know where I am going with this. 
I am not the one who started this thread. 

[JTZ]

To clarify, I was asking about your inconsistency, based on your views and definition of murder.

You deflected it to ask about my definition of murder, which is irrelevant to my question.

You thereby avoided answering the question.

Again.

What a short memory we have.

Start a new thread and we can talk about it all you want. I will guarantee you that most here will not like the questions I ask that paint some of you as murderers. 

[ExGingi]

How about a group or number of people? Is that better? Like you don't know where I am going with this. 
I am not the one who started this thread. 

I was off the grid for a while, so I am still trying to figure out where this thread came from, let alone where it's going. But I will never miss an opportunity to put some good seasoning on popcorn (as long as it ain't stale or burnt)  .

[aygart]

I was off the grid for a while, so I am still trying to figure out where this thread came from, let alone where it's going. But I will never miss an opportunity to put some good seasoning on popcorn (as long as it ain't stale or burnt)  .

This is both stale and burnt

[Cheesecake]

What a short memory we have.

I knew you would turn it into a discussion of Amalek.

Regardless, please answer the question first.

How do you explain not wanting to legislate against certain types of murder?