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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2017, 01:15:18 AM »


So all these pages we haven't been talking about it?  ::)
I said I would be asking questions and that has all I have been doing. I told you in the other thread and it this thread why I am not going to answer that question. You insist on keep pushing it and digging the whole deeper. Since that is want you want how about we make this about a whole religion?

Please explain The meaning of Deuteronomy 25:17-19. IIRC this is two of your commandments so it should be very easy for you.

No, we have not been talking about your inconsistency about abortion.

Which is what you said we would talk about.

Again, you are being untruthful.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2017, 01:27:14 AM »
Again, you are being untruthful.
I told you I was going to ask questions you did not like and I am.

So here is another one. According to Deuteronomy 25:17-19 was every man, women and child instructed to be killed or murdered as all civilized countries would call it?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2017, 01:43:47 AM »
While we are at it here is another question. If Amalekites are around today what needs to be done about it?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2017, 01:45:19 AM »
I told you I was going to ask questions you did not like and I am.

You also said you would discuss what I asked.

I'm not addressing your questions until you address the question you said you would.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2017, 01:54:02 AM »
I'm not addressing your questions until you address the question you said you would.
You won't accept my answer. I guess we will just have to draw our own conclusions then.

My conclusion is you are OK with killing women and children.  :P
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2017, 02:03:15 AM »
You won't accept my answer. I guess we will just have to draw our own conclusions then.

My conclusion is you are OK with killing women and children. 
You didn't answer.
There's nothing to accept or not accept.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2017, 02:33:53 AM »
You didn't answer.
There's nothing to accept or not accept.
What part of this that I have posted several times don't you understand?
I can answer it but choose not to as it is getting way to personal.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2017, 03:01:20 AM »
While we are at it here is another question. If Amalekites are around today what needs to be done about it?
Did you read

Deuteronomy 25:19
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2017, 03:05:51 AM »
What part of this that I have posted several times don't you understand?
The part where you lied and said you would.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2017, 03:11:13 AM »
Did you read
?
Yes and it wasn't clear or I didn't understand it fully.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2017, 03:11:37 AM »
My conclusion is you are OK with killing women and children.  :P
Were you OK with this or this?

Were those justified? Did they bring about positive outcomes, despite the seeming atrocity if viewed out of context?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2017, 03:12:03 AM »
Yes and it wasn't clear or I didn't understand it fully.
Therefore, it will be, when the Lord your God grants you respite from all your enemies around [you] in the land which the Lord, your God, gives to you as an inheritance to possess, that you shall obliterate the remembrance of Amalek from beneath the heavens. You shall not forget!

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2017, 03:14:27 AM »
Yes and it wasn't clear or I didn't understand it fully.
Go back to the Halachic authority (only one that addresses these kinds of issues IINM) that I posted.
And for further reading: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/1188345/jewish/Melachim-uMilchamot-Chapter-1.htm
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2017, 03:22:53 AM »
Were you OK with this or this?

Were those justified? Did they bring about positive outcomes, despite the seeming atrocity if viewed out of context?
Lets take the second one. If the purpose was to exterminate a whole race then it was not justified.
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2017, 03:25:41 AM »
Therefore, it will be, when the Lord your God grants you respite from all your enemies around [you] in the land which the Lord, your God, gives to you as an inheritance to possess, that you shall obliterate the remembrance of Amalek from beneath the heavens. You shall not forget!
I take that to mean if some are still alive today the are to be obliterated. Am I reading it correctly?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2017, 03:38:26 AM »
No, we have not been talking about your inconsistency about abortion.
You say they are inconsistent. Don't pretend I have not stated my views abortion.

Now can I get my answer if you believe it is OK to kill women and children?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2017, 03:40:47 AM »
You say they are inconsistent. Don't pretend I have not stated my views abortion.

Now can I get my answer if you believe it is OK to kill women and children?
I asked you to explain how you differentiate between wanting murder to be illegal, but not abortion (which you also consider murder).

No.

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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2017, 03:48:32 AM »
(which you also consider murder).
I said abortion was murder?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2017, 04:11:16 AM »
Lets take the second one. If the purpose was to exterminate a whole race then it was not justified.
Why are you speculating about an historical event? What was the purpose?
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Re: Abortion = Murder?
« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2017, 05:32:39 AM »
Why are you speculating about an historical event? What was the purpose?
To end the war.
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