Abortion = Murder?

[as2]

Life and a human being are 2 different things. Life is shared across animals, plants and so on. As per JTZ, yes life starts at conception, but that life may never even become a human being. The assumption you are making to prove his inconsistencies is only an assumption and he clearly isn't agrering with it. Why does this have to continue?

[Cheesecake]

It doesn't.

[ExGingi]

Stop right there. Soldiers can be murderers.

GIYF: William Laws Calley Jr.

FTFY

Soldiers can be murderers, but I would argue that not when filling commands in a just war.

I suggest you read further down through Maimonides, where you will see that there are specific ways of how war is to be waged and conducted.

I will also point out, that despite several opportunities, it was only once (IINM) that a Jewish king waged a war on Amalek, for the purpose of total annihilation, and at that time was commanded by a prophet to do so (Maimonides also discusses at length the qualifications of a true prophet).

[JTZ]

Soldiers can be murderers, but I would argue that not when filling commands in a just war.

You can argue all you want but the facts say different. What is a filling?

[aygart]

FTFY

Soldiers can be murderers, but I would argue that not when filling commands in a just war.

I suggest you read further down through Maimonides, where you will see that there are specific ways of how war is to be waged and conducted.

I will also point out, that despite several opportunities, it was only once (IINM) that a Jewish king waged a war on Amalek, for the purpose of total annihilation, and at that time was commanded by a prophet to do so (Maimonides also discusses at length the qualifications of a true prophet).

so you feel that Eichmann should have been exonerated?

[as2]

so you feel that Eichmann should have been exonerated?

There is a very big difference between the way people were treated in the Holocaust and simply killing in war. Had the victims of the Holocaust only been killed, it would have been doing them a favor compared to what they got.

[aygart]

There is a very big difference between the way people were treated in the Holocaust and simply killing in war. Had the victims of the Holocaust only been killed, it would have been doing them a favor compared to what they got.

So it is a question of where you draw the line. Very subjective

[as2]

So it is a question of where you draw the line. Very subjective

I don't disagree that most of this discussion varries based on ones personal interpretation of several differen factors such as life, murder, human being etc. I'd have to say that most times an army is instructed to kill by it leader, it is not classified as murder. Obviously this isn't every case, but lets be real, the Holocaust was nowhere near the typical exemplary case

[aygart]

I don't disagree that most of this discussion varries based on ones personal interpretation of several differen factors such as life, murder, human being etc. I'd have to say that most times an army is instructed to kill by it leader, it is not classified as murder. Obviously this isn't every case, but lets be real, the Holocaust was nowhere near the typical exemplary case

The difference is not that they did it as an army under orders but that it happened in the regular course of a war. The would not apply to the way ExGingi is applying it.

ETA: I'm done. I don't want to get pulled in here.

[springles]

Next time send me here: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/267677/jewish/Wipe-Out-Amalek-Today.htm 
and
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2494730/jewish/Torah-and-Genocide-FAQ.htm

Im no expert but I can get behind the reasoning and opinions in these 2 articles

[ExGingi]

so you feel that Eichmann should have been exonerated?

No.

[JTZ]

The difference is not that they did it as an army under orders but that it happened in the regular course of a war. The would not apply to the way ExGingi is applying it.

ETA: I'm done. I don't want to get pulled in here.

Don't leave now. What's the problem?

[David Smith]

Next time send me here: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/267677/jewish/Wipe-Out-Amalek-Today.htm 
and
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2494730/jewish/Torah-and-Genocide-FAQ.htm

כופרים
Why would someone believe in a God they feel the need to apologize for?

[aygart]

Don't leave now. What's the problem?

Sorry

[JTZ]

כופרים
Why would someone believe in a God they feel the need to apologize for?

Who is apologizing for G-d?

[JTZ]

Sorry

So again you refuse to answer questions? 

[aygart]

So again you refuse to answer questions? 

I answered more questions than you in this thread.
Besides many of my questions are answers

[JTZ]

I answered more questions than you in this thread.
Besides many of my questions are answers

...but I said all I was going to do is ask questions. 

[ElectricCPR]

Ask your Local ORTHODOX Rabbi! (Nothing added to the word ORTHODOX.) Please don't take this thread and turn it into antisemitism!

[aygart]

...but I said all I was going to do is ask questions. 

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