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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2017, 12:42:10 AM »
Obviously the question really starts is why are the poor living such a high lifestyle

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2017, 12:47:51 AM »
By your standards there can never be criticism of anything.
-1 even with his "standards" criticism is fine.
Believe it or not, there are some people still who care very little about dressing their kids like Arabella Kushner, driving a luxury car or living in a luxury brand new home with all the must have upgrades and trimmings...

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2017, 12:49:50 AM »


   Obviously the question really starts is why are the poor living such a high lifestyle
My question is how?


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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2017, 12:54:12 AM »
I think the answer is that if everyone doesn't work and Can live this lifestyle than i deserve it to,  cuz he is no different than me. Whereas when you work it is understood that different people make different amounts of money

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2017, 02:07:44 AM »
I think the answer is that if everyone doesn't work and Can live this lifestyle than i deserve it to,  cuz he is no different than me. Whereas when you work it is understood that different people make different amounts of money
Not sure that that's answer. Plenty of non kollel families who have jobs and make a living still trying to keep up with others and live beyond their means.

It's also way easier to live beyond your means than ever before IMO.
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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2017, 02:57:02 AM »
Not sure that that's answer. Plenty of non kollel families who have jobs and make a living still trying to keep up with others and live beyond their means.

It's also way easier to live beyond your means than ever before IMO.
True. I could probably access 300k cash in a matter of days just with the cc's in my drawer and I'm sure there are many here that could do multiples of that. Buy now pay later makes it real easy to match the latest purchase the wealthy neighbor down the block is showing off...

We've gotten to the point where even the Lakewood chosson gemach that takes care of basic needs for chassanim is paying for a custom suit....

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2017, 02:58:42 AM »




We've gotten to the point where even the Lakewood chosson gemach that takes care of basic needs for chassanim is paying for a custom suit....

And we wonder why everyone has such high expectations for what's 'coming to them' and for what's considered a necessity.
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« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2017, 03:01:51 AM »
We've gotten to the point where even the Lakewood chosson gemach that takes care of basic needs for chassanim is paying for a custom suit....
That's ridiculous if it's true.
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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2017, 03:06:53 AM »

We've gotten to the point where even the Lakewood chosson gemach that takes care of basic needs for chassanim is paying for a custom suit....
You know this first hand?


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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2017, 07:55:00 AM »
The real problem is why are so many people feeling such a void that they are trying to fill with this lifestyle ? 

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2017, 08:29:07 AM »
You know this first hand?
Even if true their goal is to help chassanim who are indigent be on par with everyone else. It's not a reflection on the fund which is amazing, it's a reflection on the level of expectation of chassanim in general. Same goes for the kallah organizations who provide household furnishings to kallahs. Amazing and vital work, but a reflection on general expectations in the community. A high percentage of otherwise financially stable families need help because it is unacceptable socially to make a wedding that is within their modest budget....

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2017, 08:34:19 AM »
Not sure that that's answer. Plenty of non kollel families who have jobs and make a living still trying to keep up with others and live beyond their means.

It's also way easier to live beyond your means than ever before IMO.
Go back and read my first post about the non kollel families.

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2017, 08:34:35 AM »
You know this first hand?
I don't remember where I heard it so I should not have mentioned it as fact.... I Agree that in any case it would not be a reflection on the fund which I'm sure does great work...

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2017, 10:04:57 AM »
Even if true their goal is to help chassanim who are indigent be on par with everyone else. It's not a reflection on the fund which is amazing, it's a reflection on the level of expectation of chassanim in general. Same goes for the kallah organizations who provide household furnishings to kallahs. Amazing and vital work, but a reflection on general expectations in the community. A high percentage of otherwise financially stable families need help because it is unacceptable socially to make a wedding that is within their modest budget....
That gemachs give it is what makes it socially required. I know of families who get clothing given to them each Yom Tov and they are the Joneses who people feel they need to keep up with.
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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2017, 10:20:54 AM »
I don't remember where I heard it so I should not have mentioned it as fact.... I Agree that in any case it would not be a reflection on the fund which I'm sure does great work...
You have to be careful.  They raise money for the gemach and not everyone wants to donate for a custom suit because
That gemachs give it is what makes it socially required. I know of families who get clothing given to them each Yom Tov and they are the Joneses who people feel they need to keep up with.
I wore a $150 men's wearhouse suit for my wedding.  My rich friends wore $400 suits.  Not that long ago. No way I'm going to support this in any fashion. 

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2017, 10:23:59 AM »
That gemachs give it is what makes it socially required. I know of families who get clothing given to them each Yom Tov and they are the Joneses who people feel they need to keep up with.

Socially required?
I got married 5 years ago, and was able to afford a custom suit, but didn't buy one or hear of it as being a "thing" to buy one. And I'm from Brooklyn. Even today I can buy great wedding quality suits for less than $250.
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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2017, 10:27:16 AM »
Some people are just good shoppers. Others won't even enjoy what they are wearing if I didn't cost enough. Even if it's a high end brand.
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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2017, 10:27:46 AM »
Socially required?
I got married 5 years ago, and was able to afford a custom suit, but didn't buy one or hear of it as being a "thing" to buy one. Even today I can buy great wedding quality suits for less than $250.
I was using the levels mentioned in the list I quoted. I have no idea what is socially acceptable. My wedding was almost twenty years ago. I will find out BE"H in a few years when my kids get married. It does sound extreme and I can't imagine my kids will be expecting a custom suit.
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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2017, 10:55:16 AM »
That gemachs give it is what makes it socially required. I know of families who get clothing given to them each Yom Tov and they are the Joneses who people feel they need to keep up with.
While I know many families who shop in the children's place *gasp*, or deja new and are very content.
There is a concept of a gvir that lost everything and needs to be supported up to his standards, but not every regular Joe should be in this category. It's wrong.

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Re: Lakewood Luxury Lifestyles
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2017, 11:00:41 AM »
While I know many families who shop in the children's place *gasp*, or deja new and are very content.
There is a concept of a gvir that lost everything and needs to be supported up to his standards, but not every regular Joe should be in this category. It's wrong.
I also know such families. Namely my own.

One thing I did notice while the Cheder was next to Bais Shalom was how quite a large chunk of the boys were wearing the same 4 or 5 CP shirts.
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