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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #150 on: January 29, 2017, 07:17:12 PM »
honestly if there was a clearly identifiable group of people from chicago from whom the murderers were disproportionately coming from who were not already citizens which precludes our ability to get rid of them, Id be all for it.... :)
You mean like African Americans?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #151 on: January 29, 2017, 07:18:30 PM »
Ok, so who's the frum guy?
You mean the self hating Jew?  ;)
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #152 on: January 29, 2017, 07:46:24 PM »
Ok, so who's the frum guy?

And why isn't he covering his kids ears?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #153 on: January 29, 2017, 08:00:23 PM »
You mean the self hating Jew?  ;)
I understand why a Jew would want to be there. Saw this on FB:

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #154 on: January 29, 2017, 08:12:08 PM »
I understand why a Jew would want to be there.
I also understand why the child is holding a sign that says "refugees welcome".
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #155 on: January 29, 2017, 08:18:49 PM »
You mean like African Americans?
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so). My point simply was that when it comes to Muslim immigration there is an identifiable group of people who contain amongst them elements who pose a threat to us, and we are entitled to keep them out- entirely if necessary,  or at least until we can fashion a framework bye which we can eliminate the danger. I would not say that criteria applies absolutely to murders in Chicago, firstly there is no clearly identifiable group (and frankly despite what you thought I meant, I would not say African Americans are all part of the same group just because they share a skin color) that is overwhelmingly responsible, and even if there were being that they are citizens of this country, they are subject to the criminal justice system as opposed to simply just not letting them in. Whereas with Muslim immigrants, since as a group they clearly contain elements which are threatening, it would seem to in fact be obligatory to try to keep them out until we can ensure that no undesirable and dangerous ones are slipping in along with the rest. It's awful for the inncent ones who will suffer due to this, but we are not obligated to harm ourselves for their benefit. Capisce?
As for the various comparisons to Jews fleeing the Nazis, you might say that this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but the facts show that there was and is no danger posed to America by Jews, whereas we can unfortunately not say the same about Muslims.....

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #156 on: January 29, 2017, 08:20:27 PM »
This is a straw man- no one is suggesting letting in any and all Muslim refugees. This is the current process for a refugee: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states
Yet not having proper and stringent screening procedures in place to weed out extremists has almost the same effect....

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #157 on: January 29, 2017, 08:25:50 PM »
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so).
Fair enough.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #158 on: January 29, 2017, 08:51:39 PM »
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so). My point simply was that when it comes to Muslim immigration there is an identifiable group of people who contain amongst them elements who pose a threat to us, and we are entitled to keep them out- entirely if necessary,  or at least until we can fashion a framework bye which we can eliminate the danger. I would not say that criteria applies absolutely to murders in Chicago, firstly there is no clearly identifiable group (and frankly despite what you thought I meant, I would not say African Americans are all part of the same group just because they share a skin color) that is overwhelmingly responsible, and even if there were being that they are citizens of this country, they are subject to the criminal justice system as opposed to simply just not letting them in. Whereas with Muslim immigrants, since as a group they clearly contain elements which are threatening, it would seem to in fact be obligatory to try to keep them out until we can ensure that no undesirable and dangerous ones are slipping in along with the rest. It's awful for the inncent ones who will suffer due to this, but we are not obligated to harm ourselves for their benefit. Capisce?
As for the various comparisons to Jews fleeing the Nazis, you might say that this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but the facts show that there was and is no danger posed to America by Jews, whereas we can unfortunately not say the same about Muslims.....
Ooooohhh, you're sooooooooo close. See how bad it is to throw people out based on skin color? Now keep going with that line of reasoning......
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #159 on: January 29, 2017, 08:58:35 PM »
Actually I did not even mean that when I wrote it (although reading it now I can see why you might have thought so). My point simply was that when it comes to Muslim immigration there is an identifiable group of people who contain amongst them elements who pose a threat to us, and we are entitled to keep them out- entirely if necessary,  or at least until we can fashion a framework bye which we can eliminate the danger. I would not say that criteria applies absolutely to murders in Chicago, firstly there is no clearly identifiable group (and frankly despite what you thought I meant, I would not say African Americans are all part of the same group just because they share a skin color) that is overwhelmingly responsible, and even if there were being that they are citizens of this country, they are subject to the criminal justice system as opposed to simply just not letting them in. Whereas with Muslim immigrants, since as a group they clearly contain elements which are threatening, it would seem to in fact be obligatory to try to keep them out until we can ensure that no undesirable and dangerous ones are slipping in along with the rest. It's awful for the inncent ones who will suffer due to this, but we are not obligated to harm ourselves for their benefit. Capisce?
As for the various comparisons to Jews fleeing the Nazis, you might say that this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but the facts show that there was and is no danger posed to America by Jews, whereas we can unfortunately not say the same about Muslims.....
The distinction between group and group is ridiculous.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #160 on: January 29, 2017, 09:14:19 PM »
Ooooohhh, you're sooooooooo close. See how bad it is to throw people out based on skin color? Now keep going with that line of reasoning......
Ok Ill bite. (This goes as a reply for David Smith too.) It is simply an absolute fact to anyone paying attention the past 17 years or so, to whats gone on in Israel to Lower Manhattan to France to England etc. all throughout the world, that there are a great number of Muslims who believe that their religion requires them to kill and otherwise destroy other people, with Jews and Americans sharing space high up on that list. The estimates of how many Muslims are radicalized in this fashion vary greatly, but everyone agrees there is a not insignificant amount of them, to the point that anyone deciding about admitting a large group of them into their country would be criminally negligent not to take that into account. Either you're a whole lot more close-minded and racist than me to the point that you believe that a similar case can be made based on skin color, or so much more open-minded that all your brains fell out and you truly dont recognize the threat radical Islam poses to you and yours. In either case, I do not see there being any kind of comparison between tough immigration policies to weed out radical Islamists and racist policies, the former is simply common sense while the latter is obviously reprehensible.
This thread somtimes reminds me of what Queen Elizabeth is reputed to have said while opening an insane asylum, "Really you are the sane ones, but we are the majority." I honestly dont get why what Im saying is even at all controversial, and the snide attitude and comments you guys throw out there just reinforces the feeling of the mental disorder that is liberalism and its fierce contagion...... :-\ But I think Ive said enough so Ill leave it here guys, you can have at it  :-X

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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #161 on: January 29, 2017, 10:24:04 PM »
Not really. They have to satiate their employees, who many (maybe even most) of them are immigrants. They probably couldn't care less but don't want their employees to strike like the cabbies did in nyc.
Edit: I see that many people said this before me.

They didn't need to make a public statement about it, or take sides.
If they wanted to open their mouth they could say they feel for the refugees.
I deleted the Lyft app for the disrespectful political intolerance they have for their customers.

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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #162 on: January 29, 2017, 10:41:39 PM »
Shouldn't this thread be in otr?
Or is it exclusively for codes
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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #163 on: January 29, 2017, 10:48:12 PM »
Shouldn't this thread be in otr?
Or is it exclusively for codes
It could be anywhere but promo codes is a deal.

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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #164 on: January 29, 2017, 10:59:57 PM »
They didn't need to make a public statement about it, or take sides.
If they wanted to open their mouth they could say they feel for the refugees.
I deleted the Lyft app for the disrespectful political intolerance they have for their customers.

Make sure to mark as spam as well.
I'm sure they'd rather loose a few customers than loose half their drivers for awhile.
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