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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2017, 10:16:06 PM »
+1 this does seem overboard.

They seems to have partially walked back the green card ban, it is now being reported green card holders can get a waiver

The dual citizenship thing seems like mis-information to me. A Canadian citizen, for example, can enter the US with his Canadian passport with no need to reference his other passport AFAIK

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2017, 10:23:34 PM »
Lets not bring facts into this discussion.
They have plenty of issues among their citizenry, but to compare them to the seven included is what would be ignoring facts.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2017, 10:26:47 PM »
They seems to have partially walked back the green card ban, it is now being reported green card holders can get a waiver

The dual citizenship thing seems like mis-information to me. A Canadian citizen, for example, can enter the US with his Canadian passport with no need to reference his other passport AFAIK

I provided a link above proving that you're wrong.
If you have dual citizenship, Canada and Sudan, you won't be allowed entry to the US if you're Muslim.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2017, 10:35:25 PM »
I provided a link above proving that you're wrong.
If you have dual citizenship, Canada and Sudan, you won't be allowed entry to the US if you're Muslim.
If a ban cannot be enforced it's not much of a ban. How exactly would they know if someone is Muslim? Or if he is even a national of a 2nd Country for that purpose?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2017, 10:38:36 PM »
If a ban cannot be enforced it's not much of a ban. How exactly would they know if someone is Muslim? Or if he is even a national of a 2nd Country for that purpose?

1. Prove that you're not a Muslim
2. Your passport would probably state your birthplace

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2017, 10:40:48 PM »
How would one go about proving he is a Muslim or not ?

Your second point I agree with, that would indicate the person is probably a national of that country as well

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2017, 11:18:51 PM »
How would one go about proving he is a Muslim or not ?

Your second point I agree with, that would indicate the person is probably a national of that country as well

Ask the person to draw a pic of Muhammad.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2017, 11:48:21 PM »
I'm curious. Are most people here 100% for or against this?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2017, 11:51:45 PM »
I'm curious. Are most people here 100% for or against this?
This calls for a poll
Make stuff happen.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2017, 12:07:44 AM »
I'm curious. Are most people here 100% for or against this?
Does it have to be 100% one way or another?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2017, 12:08:43 AM »
Does it have to be 100% one way or another?
No. I'm just curious if there are those who are.  When someone else create a poll I'd add more options.  :)
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2017, 12:38:46 AM »
1. This should be moved to JS.

2. Kudos to Trump for taking the courage to keep us safe.

3. Shame on the world for retaliating now and not saying anything about the fact that 16 countries deny entry to Israeli citizens.

As you being one of the big defender's of trump I was wondering where u disappeared, bh your back.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2017, 12:52:43 AM »
From a legal standpoint, a federal judge can overturn an executive order from the POTUS?

In any case I have an inside feeling that if the Trump administration is not going to do any revisions on this order this is not going to end very pretty.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2017, 12:59:15 AM »
From a legal standpoint, a federal judge can overturn an executive order from the POTUS?

In any case I have an inside feeling that if the Trump administration is not going to do any revisions on this order this is not going to end very pretty.
Yes, it's called checks and balances. It makes this country great.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2017, 01:00:12 AM »
How would one go about proving he is a Muslim or not ?

Apparently- "Under federal law, the executive branch is expressly required to take religion into account in determining who is granted asylum. Under the provision governing asylum (section 1158 of Title 8, U.S. Code), an alien applying for admission must establish that religion [among other things] was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427262/refugee-religious-test-shameful-and-not-american-except-federal-law-requires-it-andrew

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2017, 01:15:24 AM »
I am pro this executive order. Trump was elected to keep America safe and not worry about the PC nonsense, and this all is part of it. If you are against this, were you outraged when Obama administration did the same thing to Iraqi refugees in 2011?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2017, 01:35:15 AM »
I am pro this executive order. Trump was elected to keep America safe and not worry about the PC nonsense, and this all is part of it. If you are against this, were you outraged when Obama administration did the same thing to Iraqi refugees in 2011?
Did he include those who already had visas or green cards?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2017, 01:47:18 AM »
Did he include those who already had visas or green cards?

It seems like the administration wasn't clear in the beginning and caused confusion though now it's been clarified that green card holders can come in but might require additional screening.
Not sure about vida holders though.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2017, 02:30:20 AM »
It seems like the administration wasn't clear in the beginning and caused confusion though now it's been clarified that green card holders can come in but might require additional screening.
Not sure about vida holders though.
Green card ban made no sense. Ban on already approved visas makes a little more sense, but still odd. I think judge order to allow anyone who is already here / on the way is the right thing.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2017, 03:16:02 AM »
Ban on any religion gets me nervous,  I won't deny that.