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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #200 on: January 30, 2017, 12:54:21 PM »
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #205 on: January 31, 2017, 12:02:29 AM »
Should have posted here.

Quote from: good sam on January 31, 2017, 12:01:16 AM
Sally Yates is out, Dana Boente is in.

https://m.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10158573747555725

Curious, anyone know why he couldn't or wouldn't appoint Sessions as acting AG?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #206 on: January 31, 2017, 12:48:37 AM »
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #207 on: January 31, 2017, 12:50:13 AM »
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #208 on: January 31, 2017, 05:44:22 AM »
Stupid, unjust, unfair, draconian, evil, cruel, I can hear how someone can feel that though I disagree for the most part. But unconstitutional? Sentors and the like are throwing that around right and left.  Can someone enlighten me how this can be construed as unconstitutional?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #209 on: January 31, 2017, 06:26:35 AM »
Quote from: Boruch999 on January 31, 2017, 05:44:22 AM
Can someone enlighten me how this can be construed as unconstitutional?
Unless we have a constitutional lawyer here that isn't going to happen. Going to have to wait and let the courts decide.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #210 on: January 31, 2017, 07:26:35 AM »
Quote from: good sam on January 31, 2017, 12:02:29 AM
Should have posted here.

From what I understand, it has to be someone from within the Justice department. Also, because Dana Boente was confirmed by the Senate (when being appointed as US attorney) he can sign FISA warrants.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #211 on: January 31, 2017, 07:54:04 AM »
Quote from: zh cohen on January 31, 2017, 07:26:35 AM
From what I understand, it has to be someone from within the Justice department. Also, because Dana Boente was confirmed by the Senate (when being appointed as US attorney) he can sign FISA warrants.
Interesting.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #212 on: January 31, 2017, 08:05:47 AM »
The irony is incredible. Here's Senator Sessions questioning Sally Yates during her confirmation hearing. He asks her if she's willing to do the exact thing she did yesterday:
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #213 on: January 31, 2017, 08:14:21 AM »
actually not quite, She didn't oppose the person that appointed her - Obama, she went against Trump when she knows she'll be paraded around by the media as a hero for opposing.. 
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #214 on: January 31, 2017, 08:14:57 AM »
Quote from: aradisc on January 31, 2017, 08:05:47 AM
The irony is incredible. Here's Senator Sessions questioning Sally Yates during her confirmation hearing. He asks her if she's willing to do the exact thing she did yesterday:
&t=0m34s
Not the exact same thing she did yesterday.  What they are discussing is the duty of the AG to advise POTUS that something he would like to do is unlawful.  What she did was advise all her subordinates that she was unconvinced that the EO was lawful and order them to insubordinate. 
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #215 on: January 31, 2017, 08:21:56 AM »
Quote from: JTZ on January 31, 2017, 06:26:35 AM
Unless we have a constitutional lawyer here that isn't going to happen. Going to have to wait and let the courts decide.

It should be pretty unambiguious.  Does the Constitution address the rights of foreign nationals to enter the USA?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #216 on: January 31, 2017, 09:24:36 AM »
Quote from: Boruch999 on January 31, 2017, 08:21:56 AM
It should be pretty unambiguious.  Does the Constitution address the rights of foreign nationals to enter the USA?
It is not that easy. It is the immigration law I believe they are talking about. One part says you can't discriminate based on nation of origin or where they were born. Another part says the president has the power to ban if it is in the best interest of the US.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #217 on: January 31, 2017, 12:07:37 PM »
Quote from: aradisc on January 31, 2017, 08:05:47 AM
The irony is incredible. Here's Senator Sessions questioning Sally Yates during her confirmation hearing. He asks her if she's willing to do the exact thing she did yesterday:
&t=0m34s

Except that she admitted that the OLC found it lawful, and her main justification for not defending it was that it is not "just".

Her job is to defend any law that can be reasonably defended. Her statment only said "I am not convinced it is lawful".

If she was not comfortable doing her job, she should have quit.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #218 on: January 31, 2017, 12:19:20 PM »
Quote from: zh cohen on January 31, 2017, 12:07:37 PM
Except that she admitted that the OLC found it lawful, and her main justification for not defending it was that it is not "just".

Her job is to defend any law that can be reasonably defended. Her statment only said "I am not convinced it is lawful".

If she was not comfortable doing her job, she should have quit.

She has a right to do the job as she sees fit and she was willing to face the consequences.
She knew she was being replaced shortly so she had nothing to worry about.

I don't know what's so controversial from either POV.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #219 on: January 31, 2017, 12:23:41 PM »
Quote from: yuneeq on January 31, 2017, 12:19:20 PM
She has a right to do the job as she sees fit and she was willing to face the consequences.
She knew she was being replaced shortly so she had nothing to worry about.

I don't know what's so controversial from either POV.
Agree with this completely. Both she and Trump did what they had to.

Those saying Trump is a dictator are watching a different movie.
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