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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2017, 09:23:05 AM »
Ban on any religion gets me nervous,  I won't deny that.

There is no ban on religion!!! There is a (3 month) ban on people from countries that the Obama administration declared most likely to be havens for terror.

There is plenty to complain about with this EO, without making stuff up. Including green card holders (against the recommendation of Homeland security), implementation, and not getting any legal advice on how to do it properly are all valid complaints. Screaming "UNAMERICAN" and "Muslim ban" just discredits valid complaints.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2017, 09:30:04 AM »
Didn't Trump complain about Obamas abuse of EO's?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2017, 09:35:11 AM »
Didn't Trump complain about Obamas abuse of EO's?

I'm sure he did

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Re: Lyft
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2017, 09:40:18 AM »
"Standing together" "defending our values"
 We stand with you, and are donating $1,000,000 (of your $$) over the next four years to the ACLU to defend our constitution.

Part of an anti-trump email I got from them.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2017, 09:43:25 AM »
Didn't Trump complain about Obamas abuse of EO's?
This is something very specifically under the authority of the executivebranch
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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2017, 09:45:07 AM »
"Standing together" "defending our values"
 We stand with you, and are donating $1,000,000 (of your $$) over the next four years to the ACLU to defend our constitution.

Part of an anti-trump email I got from them.
+1. sounds ridiculous, almost random coming from a taxi service company.

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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2017, 09:46:19 AM »
+1. sounds ridiculous, almost random coming from a taxi service company.
Well, 99% of their drivers would have a problem getting back in.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2017, 09:57:14 AM »
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/156532225711/the-persuasion-filter-and-immigration

"Trump’s temporary immigration ban set a mental anchor in your brain that is frankly shocking. It will make his eventual permanent immigration plan (”extreme vetting”) look tame by comparison. The Persuasion Filter says that’s his strategy. Because that’s ALWAYS his strategy. He acts the same way every time. He wrote a book about it. He talks about it publicly. Then he does it right in front of us, over and over. And no matter how many times he does it, half the country still thinks the opening offer is the real one."
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2017, 10:02:22 AM »
Didn't Trump complain about Obamas abuse of EO's?

1 - All process arguments are disingenuous

2 - Are you surprised that Donald Trump is not conservative?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2017, 10:08:30 AM »
There is no ban on religion!!! There is a (3 month) ban on people from countries that the Obama administration declared most likely to be havens for terror.

There is plenty to complain about with this EO, without making stuff up. Including green card holders (against the recommendation of Homeland security), implementation, and not getting any legal advice on how to do it properly are all valid complaints. Screaming "UNAMERICAN" and "Muslim ban" just discredits valid complaints.
I was basing my comments on what was written here.  I had understood that there was a ban specifically on Muslims.  If incorrect I take it back.  DDF is my primary source of news.
American law already distinguishes been religions when granting refugee status. So I'm not sure that makes Trumps or obamas actions less American. 
I also didn't know non-citizens were afforded religious liberties or rights.
It's a privilege to visit our country not a right!
Refugees due to religious persecution obviously require distinguishing based on religion.  Very different than a proactive step based on religion.  And of course non citizens don't have the same rights as citizens,  and its a privilege to come here.  Tell that to the boatloads of Jewish refugees who were sent back to nazi Europe

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2017, 10:19:33 AM »
While reserving absolute judgment on this ban while waiting to see what comes next, I would like to make a couple of points. Firstly, I dont understand why this is such a major surprise (or at least the media make it out to be so) if Trump explicitly promised and campaigned about doing this. Which brings me to my second point. We have become so accustomed to politicians making empty promises, we are now shocked when they actually do what they said they would. And while we need to wait and see what form the overall immigration policy will take under the Trump administration (after all, this is a temporary action hopefully to give a chance to figure out how to fix what is clearly a broken immigration system vis a vis Muslim radicals getting in either as refugees or visitors or even green card holders), one thing that is definitely refreshing is having a President who actually hits the ground running and is getting right to work on implementing the agenda that clearly Americans voted for in electing him.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2017, 10:28:53 AM »
I was basing my comments on what was written here.  I had understood that there was a ban specifically on Muslims.  If incorrect I take it back.  DDF is my primary source of news. Refugees due to religious persecution obviously require distinguishing based on religion.  Very different than a proactive step based on religion.  And of course non citizens don't have the same rights as citizens,  and its a privilege to come here.  Tell that to the boatloads of Jewish refugees who were sent back to nazi Europe

1. Most of the top Muslim countries are not banned entry. The ban is for specific countries that Obama named as countries of "concern".
2. Those boatloads of Jewish refugees would've been accepted nowadays under Trumps laws. So not sure what you're getting at.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2017, 10:35:32 AM »
I was basing my comments on what was written here.  I had understood that there was a ban specifically on Muslims.  If incorrect I take it back.  DDF is my primary source of news.

I'm not blaming you, and chances are even if you did read "mainstream media" you would also have heard that there is a Muslim ban

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Re: Re: Lyft
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2017, 11:02:13 AM »
Interesting that the same people who say 'corporations aren't people' can say that 'corporations have values'.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2017, 11:03:09 AM »
1. Most of the top Muslim countries are not banned entry. The ban is for specific countries that Obama named as countries of "concern".
2. Those boatloads of Jewish refugees would've been accepted nowadays under Trumps laws. So not sure what you're getting at.
1. fully agree
2. It only takes slight changes. The concept is similar.
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