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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #75 on: January 29, 2017, 11:46:40 AM »
2. It requires huge changes and the concept is not similar.
Jew were religiously persecuted and would protected by the law.
AAnd no reason to fall for the slipper slope fallacy.
It is not a question of slippery slope. It is that throughout history whatever religion was a criteria for anything at all it ended up being to the detriment of the Jews. Immigration is an especially sensitive part of it. In recent centuries it has affected Ashkenezim much more than Sefardim.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #76 on: January 29, 2017, 11:51:39 AM »
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #77 on: January 29, 2017, 11:55:43 AM »
It is not a question of slippery slope. It is that throughout history whatever religion was a criteria for anything at all it ended up being to the detriment of the Jews. Immigration is an especially sensitive part of it. In recent centuries it has affected Ashkenezim much more than Sefardim.

Sefardim had a very hard time immigrating as well. There was no boats sent back, but many were denied entry and ended up traveling to South America, or were murdered in their home country for planning to leave.

Either way this policy has nothing to do with Jews so no reason to bring them into this discussion.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #78 on: January 29, 2017, 11:59:27 AM »



Either way this policy has nothing to do with Jews so no reason to bring them into this discussion.

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If you're against it, you should be against it because it's wrong or being implemented incorrectly or unfairly, not because it may have a negative impact to yourself. Thinking about how easily it can happen to you just puts things in a different light and helps you relate to those being wronged by a policy or action.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #79 on: January 29, 2017, 12:01:34 PM »
2. Those boatloads of Jewish refugees would've been accepted nowadays under Trumps laws. So not sure what you're getting at.
The belief that allowing heavily-vetted refugees in will bring in terrorists in disguise is a direct parallel to concerns about Jews being a "fifth column" in the 1940s. Replace "Nazi spy" with "terrorist": (click date at bottom of tweet to view articles) Invalid Tweet ID
AAnd no reason to fall for the slipper slope fallacy.

It's starting to get a little slippery out there: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/the-white-house-holocaust-horror/

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2017, 12:08:12 PM »


The belief that allowing heavily-vetted refugees in will bring in terrorists in disguise is a direct parallel to concerns about Jews being a "fifth column" in the 1940s. Replace "Nazi spy" with "terrorist": (click date at bottom of tweet to view articles) Invalid Tweet ID
This is a ridiculous claim. His entire argument is that they are not properly vetted. This is very specifically a temporary measure in order to create what he considers to be adequate vetting procedures.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2017, 12:08:44 PM »

As far as it not really being religion based rather country based, that just a fact which we dont want to let get in the way of this particular argument.... ;)
already been noted. this is theoretical (as of now)

Jew were religiously persecuted and would protected by the law.
currently...

A small tweak by this or a future administration would extend to other groups as well. (in our theoretical scenario)

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2017, 12:12:22 PM »
In a country where minorities aren't protected, don't bet on being looked at like the majority.

Even if you think that this can't affect you, you should still be able to empathize.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2017, 12:33:57 PM »
Giving him way too much credit.

Besides, leave it Guliani to play his hand
http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/29/rudy-giuliani-brags-he-crafted-trumps-muslim-ban/215163
Why isn't this getting more publicity. The man claiming to be behind the ban said Trump asked for a Muslim ban
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2017, 12:41:23 PM »
Why isn't this getting more publicity. The man claiming to be behind the ban said Trump asked for a Muslim ban
Of course that is how media mutters wants you to understand it. Once you think about what trump probably meant when he said a ban on Muslims and how this was implemented you will see that this is what it always meant. The whole thing is to block those from terror havens.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2017, 12:46:05 PM »
This is something very specifically under the authority of the executivebranch
Wow I didn't know that. Try answering the question now.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2017, 12:50:41 PM »
Wow I didn't know that. Try answering the question now.
What changed now?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2017, 12:51:44 PM »
How many of these 7 countries does Trump do business with or have a hotel there?
How many terrorist acts have refugees from these 7 countries committed?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2017, 12:54:18 PM »
@realDonaldTrump

Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2017, 12:55:38 PM »
@realDonaldTrump

Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!
He didn't say "hugh" so we are not talking about millions. So what is "large"?
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