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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #80 on: January 29, 2017, 12:08:12 PM »


The belief that allowing heavily-vetted refugees in will bring in terrorists in disguise is a direct parallel to concerns about Jews being a "fifth column" in the 1940s. Replace "Nazi spy" with "terrorist": (click date at bottom of tweet to view articles) Invalid Tweet ID
This is a ridiculous claim. His entire argument is that they are not properly vetted. This is very specifically a temporary measure in order to create what he considers to be adequate vetting procedures.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #81 on: January 29, 2017, 12:08:44 PM »

As far as it not really being religion based rather country based, that just a fact which we dont want to let get in the way of this particular argument.... ;)
already been noted. this is theoretical (as of now)

Jew were religiously persecuted and would protected by the law.
currently...

A small tweak by this or a future administration would extend to other groups as well. (in our theoretical scenario)

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #82 on: January 29, 2017, 12:12:22 PM »
In a country where minorities aren't protected, don't bet on being looked at like the majority.

Even if you think that this can't affect you, you should still be able to empathize.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #83 on: January 29, 2017, 12:33:57 PM »
Giving him way too much credit.

Besides, leave it Guliani to play his hand
http://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/29/rudy-giuliani-brags-he-crafted-trumps-muslim-ban/215163
Why isn't this getting more publicity. The man claiming to be behind the ban said Trump asked for a Muslim ban
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #84 on: January 29, 2017, 12:41:23 PM »
Why isn't this getting more publicity. The man claiming to be behind the ban said Trump asked for a Muslim ban
Of course that is how media mutters wants you to understand it. Once you think about what trump probably meant when he said a ban on Muslims and how this was implemented you will see that this is what it always meant. The whole thing is to block those from terror havens.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #85 on: January 29, 2017, 12:46:05 PM »
This is something very specifically under the authority of the executivebranch
Wow I didn't know that. Try answering the question now.
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #86 on: January 29, 2017, 12:50:41 PM »
Wow I didn't know that. Try answering the question now.
What changed now?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #87 on: January 29, 2017, 12:51:44 PM »
How many of these 7 countries does Trump do business with or have a hotel there?
How many terrorist acts have refugees from these 7 countries committed?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #88 on: January 29, 2017, 12:54:18 PM »
@realDonaldTrump

Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #89 on: January 29, 2017, 12:55:38 PM »
@realDonaldTrump

Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!
He didn't say "hugh" so we are not talking about millions. So what is "large"?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #90 on: January 29, 2017, 12:57:12 PM »
Isn't this like prioritizing Jewish refugees during WWII?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #91 on: January 29, 2017, 12:58:28 PM »
He didn't say "hugh" so we are not talking about millions. So what is "large"?
What difference does it make?

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #92 on: January 29, 2017, 12:59:19 PM »
How many of these 7 countries does Trump do business with or have a hotel there?
I would imagine none. That would be a very poor business decision.
How many terrorist acts have refugees from these 7 countries committed?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/syrian-refugees-isis-screenings/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36882445
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #93 on: January 29, 2017, 01:03:01 PM »
I would imagine none. That would be a very poor business decision.http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/15/politics/syrian-refugees-isis-screenings/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36882445
So the answer is zero to both questions. I guess I will just have to answer for you from now on since you refuse to.  :P
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #94 on: January 29, 2017, 01:03:56 PM »
What difference does it make?
So if one is killed that is the same as 1000? There is no difference?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #95 on: January 29, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
@realDonaldTrump

Christians in the Middle-East have been executed in large numbers. We cannot allow this horror to continue!
Muslims in the middle east have been executed in large numbers too. The world seems intent on allowing that horror to continue.

#AmericaFirst
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2017, 01:06:17 PM »
So the answer is zero to both questions. I guess I will just have to answer for you from now on since you refuse to. 
How is that a zero to the second
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #97 on: January 29, 2017, 01:08:22 PM »
How is that a zero to the second
You took my question not to mean in the US?
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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #98 on: January 29, 2017, 01:10:41 PM »
How many of these 7 countries does Trump do business with or have a hotel there?

This is a very stupid comment... (Nothing personal, I know you didn't make it up, and I doubt you believe the answers to this question mean anything)

The EO doesn't mention a single country. The list of countries is the one the Obama administration declared most likely to have terrorists come from.

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Re: Trump banning 7 major Muslim countries citizens entry into the US
« Reply #99 on: January 29, 2017, 01:14:37 PM »
You took my question not to mean in the US?
Why is that relevant to whether or not there is more risk from those countries? Maybe the current vetting process here is better than in Europe, but nothing has been communicated to make us think it is.
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