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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #330 on: November 28, 2016, 01:22:00 AM »
When was the last time you had a preapproved! Offer based on a soft pull?

LOL. This is embarrassing.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #331 on: November 28, 2016, 01:22:23 AM »
So now you're totally negating the difference between a soft and hard pull! OK so that's where the confusion lies

Someone here is confused, but it's not me.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #332 on: November 28, 2016, 01:27:16 AM »
If this were true
LOL. A soft pull gives enough info. for banks to make credit-related decisions, or else banks wouldn't be sending out credit offers based on soft pulls, would they?
Then why would the banks waste their precious money on hard pulls when you apply for credit
I said coding and/or paying for a hard pull might be a waste of time and/or money if they already had a subscription for soft-pull access, as almost all loan issuers do.

Are you even reading the replies, or just posting new replies as fast as you can?

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #333 on: November 28, 2016, 01:31:36 AM »
If this were trueThen why would the banks waste their precious money on hard pulls when you apply for credit

To signify to other banks that the person has applied for credit, in part to subtly discourage competitors from doing the same at that particular point in time. As you probably know, banks don't like it when people get a lot of new credit at the same time.

Are you still sticking to your claim that people don't get preapproved offers based on soft pulls? That was a real howler.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #334 on: November 28, 2016, 01:34:25 AM »
To signify to other banks that the person has applied for credit, in part to subtly discourage competitors from doing the same at that particular point in time. As you probably know, banks don't like it when people get a lot of new credit at the same time.

Are you still sticking to your claim that people don't get preapproved offers based on soft pulls? That was a real howler.
Aside from retail stores, if a person has no experience with a particular lender, I don't know of any "preapproved" offers. IME

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #335 on: November 28, 2016, 01:41:37 AM »
Aside from retail stores, if a person has no experience with a particular lender, I don't know of any "preapproved" offers. IME

Mailboxes across America are filled with soft-pull preapprovals every day.

(And the "aside from retail stores" and "experience with a lender" both disprove your point, anyway. The idea that Amex or Citi will preapprove more credit for an existing customer with a soft pull but would need a hard to decide on an account shutdown is just utterly silly.)

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #336 on: November 28, 2016, 01:47:12 AM »


Mailboxes across America are filled with soft-pull preapprovals every day.
Those are pre-something else. You are preapproved to apply. Please show me someone who got preapproved for an offer to a bank that they had never dealt with before.
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(And the "aside from retail stores" and "experience with a lender" both disprove your point, anyway. The idea that Amex or Citi will preapprove more credit for an existing customer with a soft pull but would need a hard to decide on an account shutdown is just utterly silly.)
Why is it silly to say that an existing customer has a credit portfolio with the lender already? The biggest proof is that if you ever get shut down by a bank, they will hold that information against you long after it falls off your credit report. And yes for a FULL REVIEW of an account you would need to do a hard pull

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #337 on: November 28, 2016, 01:53:01 AM »
Those are pre-something else. You are preapproved to apply. Please show me someone who got preapproved for an offer to a bank that they had never dealt with before.

No, a lot of them are true preapprovals.

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Why is it silly to say that an existing customer has a credit portfolio with the lender already? The biggest proof is that if you ever get shut down by a bank, they will hold that information against you long after it falls off your credit report. And yes for a FULL REVIEW of an account you would need to do a hard pull

You think a bank needs more info. to shut an account down than to EXTEND MORE UNSECURED CREDIT?

LOL.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #338 on: November 28, 2016, 01:58:24 AM »
No, a lot of them are true preapprovals.

You think a bank needs more info. to shut an account down than to EXTEND MORE UNSECURED CREDIT?

LOL.
Yes. I believe that before a bank would shut someone down, they would want to review the full credit report. As opposed to an existing lender who has a certain relationship with the customer, that may decide to extend more credit. In what way is it unsecured?

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #339 on: November 28, 2016, 02:06:43 AM »
Yes. I believe that before a bank would shut someone down, they would want to review the full credit report. As opposed to an existing lender who has a certain relationship with the customer, that may decide to extend more credit.

So you actually *do* believe a bank would want more info. before lowering or eliminating a credit line than it would before extending MORE UNSECURED CREDIT?

Wow.

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In what way is it unsecured?

What do you mean, "In what way is it unsecured"? It seemed obvious we were taking about credit cards here. Banks don't "shut down" car loans before repossessing the vehicle; likewise, they don't "shut down" mortgages without maintaining their interest in the home. Were you referring to some other type of loan in your hypothetical, when you referred to someone defaulting on three loans with one bank?

(And regardless, you claimed the defaults never made it to the person's credit report, so why would the full report factor into the hypothetical shutdown? The bank wouldn't have any additional derogatory info. than it already had internally.)
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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #340 on: November 28, 2016, 02:10:02 AM »
So you actually *do* believe a bank would want more info. before lowering or eliminating a credit line than it would before extending MORE UNSECURED CREDIT?

Wow.

What do you mean, "In what way it it unsecured"? It seemed obvious we were taking about credit cards here. Banks don't "shut down" car loans before repossessing the vehicle; likewise, they don't "shut down" mortgages without maintaining their interest in the home.
Its a possibility. A bank that has a relationship with a customer will very often extend more "unsecured" credit without pulling the report (I.e. chase is notorious for raising credit limits without even asking, forget about hard-pulling). OTOH they better have a very good reason why they are closing down an account.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #341 on: November 28, 2016, 02:11:18 AM »
Its a possibility. A bank that has a relationship with a customer will very often extend more "unsecured" credit without pulling the report (I.e. chase is notorious for raising credit limits without even asking, forget about hard-pulling).

You know Chase like Amex, and Citi, and just about every other major CC issuer soft pulls cardholders on a regular basis, right?

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OTOH they better have a very good reason why they are closing down an account.

Says who? Banks can close accounts whenever they want. There are shutdown threads right here on this site.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #342 on: November 28, 2016, 02:11:55 AM »
You know Chase like Amex, and Citi, and just about every other major CC issuer soft pulls cardholders on a regular basis, right?
Soft! Not hard! Were discussing hard!

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #343 on: November 28, 2016, 02:13:25 AM »
Soft! Not hard! Were discussing hard!

LOL. You don't seem to have any clue what you're even arguing.

You just seemed to argue that Chase gives CLI without pulling a report at all, which is nonsense. They obviously monitor their customers' credit reports closely.

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Re: Dispute Credit pull?
« Reply #344 on: November 28, 2016, 02:14:59 AM »



Says who? Banks can close accounts whenever they want. There are shutdown threads right here on this site.

They would want a valid reason that they can pass off to the consumer, otherwise why can't the consumer open new accounts?