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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #165 on: March 17, 2017, 02:41:30 PM »
Not exactly, and might sound a little condescending.

There was a group of highly intellectual bochurim who went OTD (to various degrees). כז אדר \ ג תמוז might have been part of the trigger or facilitator, but there were definitely other factors. At least one of them (son of a neighbor of mine) is somewhat attached, and has been seen around more often in recent years. IINM they all did drugs to a certain extent at some point.

That brings to mind another highly intellectual classmate of mine (from Morristown) who went OTD, I see him in Crown Heights rarely, and don't really know what his status is.

And then there's another one who used to stand right next to me at the Rebbe's farbrengens, had a phenomenal head and memory, and used to do חזרה of the farbrengens in great detail. He went OTD after he was married.

By no stretch of the imagination would I call any of the above an עם-הארץ, these guys were all top of the class, both in נגלה and חסידות! However, I really don't think it was an intellectual trigger that caused any of the above to go OTD. While none of us knows what's in people's minds, especially in the last case I mentioned, I believe he just succumbed to his תאוות.

What's drugs got to do with being intellectual or not?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #166 on: March 17, 2017, 02:46:07 PM »

90% of OTD is because they cant reconcile their sexual activity with Judaism...1% is intellectual OTD and the rest is a mixture of reasons.
You're fascinated with sex.

While your lust fantasies may have been your urge to go OTD (didn't end happening because your ego is more powerful than your sexual desires), that's not necessarily what drives the 90% OTD.
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My impression is that being OTD is not much fun; typically it means losing your entire social network, community, and to some extent family. 

I'd assume people leave if the pain they have in staying is more than that.

Well said.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #168 on: March 17, 2017, 02:58:03 PM »
What's drugs got to do with being intellectual or not?
Welcome to the discussion.

Did I infer anywhere that doing drugs has anything to do with intellect?

However, drugs are part of going OTD. My entire post was about not connecting going OTD with עם הארצות.
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #169 on: March 17, 2017, 03:01:40 PM »
You're fascinated with sex.

Reminds me of
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However, drugs are part of going OTD.

Says who? Aren't they mutually exclusive?
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Says who? Aren't they mutually exclusive?
What does the D of OTD stand for?

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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #172 on: March 17, 2017, 03:08:44 PM »
You're fascinated with sex.

While your lust fantasies may have been your urge to go OTD (didn't end happening because your ego is more powerful than your sexual desires), that's not necessarily what drives the 90% OTD.
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Maybe ddf was more fun because mesh was here?
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Says who? Aren't they mutually exclusive?
Drugs often cause OTD
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What does the D of OTD stand for?

Derech, typically referring to Shabbos, Kashrus, TH, Davening etc. Someone could technically do all those and still use drugs recreationally. And not all OTD people use drugs, hence I say they're mutually exclusive.
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Derech, typically referring to Shabbos, Kashrus, TH, Davening etc. Someone could technically do all those and still use drugs recreationally. And not all OTD people use drugs, hence I say they're mutually exclusive.
Many people would define "doing drugs" as a deviation from the "Derech". It is a deviation from ישובו של עולם, and regardless of שמירת התורה והמצוות could be considered OTD.

I definitely agree that not all OTD people use drugs (I would hope that most don't), but that doesn't make them "mutually exclusive" which in English means "cannot co-exist" AFAIK.
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Can we define "drugs"? Are you including pot in that?
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Re: Re: Interesting Articles...
« Reply #178 on: March 18, 2017, 08:38:57 PM »
What's drugs got to do with being intellectual or not?
It kills brain cells.
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