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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #320 on: July 12, 2017, 05:48:12 PM »
At the bottom of that article, was a link to an article about LH operating a new A350 on MUC-TLV during August and September, I find the video there quite interesting. From both videos (LY and LH) it seems like aircraft tails are painted prior to final assembly.

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4986688,00.html?utm_source=Taboola_internal&utm_medium=organic
The tail part is always delivered to the assembly factory painted. Same for Airbus and Boeing. Forgot the reason to it
https://www.wired.com/2013/09/boeing-787-9-gallery/

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Like most airliners, the vertical part of the tail of the 787-9 – particularly the rudder – is painted before final assembly because it must be precisely balanced.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #321 on: July 18, 2017, 07:41:44 AM »
"EL AL Israel Airlines today announced that it has selected Panasonic Avionics Corporation's (Panasonic) industry-leading eX3 inflight entertainment (IFE) system for its new fleet of 16 Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

Under terms of its agreement with Panasonic, EL AL will install eX3 across nine Boeing 787-9s and seven B787-8s, with the first aircraft being delivered in August 2017. The agreement also includes a 15-year contract for the provision of system maintenance by Panasonic Technical Services, including spares, repairs and logistics, at an optimized maintenance cost."

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #322 on: July 18, 2017, 07:49:31 AM »
Nothing about Wi-Fi on the longhauls?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #323 on: July 18, 2017, 07:53:35 AM »
Nothing about Wi-Fi on the longhauls?

They already said they will have wifi through viasat

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #324 on: July 18, 2017, 07:53:57 AM »
Thanks
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #325 on: July 18, 2017, 01:48:44 PM »
Will anyone here be on the inaugural September 12th flight to London?

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #326 on: July 20, 2017, 10:14:13 PM »
Just heard an LY exec on the radio saying that all flights for NYC will be dreamliner within 2-3 years. EWR expanding to twice daily as mentioned before and JFK to 5 or 6 daily.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #327 on: July 20, 2017, 10:33:36 PM »
Just heard an LY exec on the radio saying that all flights for NYC will be dreamliner within 2-3 years. EWR expanding to twice daily as mentioned before and JFK to 5 or 6 daily.
I will eat my hat when this happens. Such crap.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #328 on: July 20, 2017, 10:36:59 PM »
Anyone figured out yet how it's possible to operate everyday one 787 EX TLV and EX EWR ?

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #329 on: July 21, 2017, 12:04:15 AM »
Anyone figured out yet how it's possible to operate everyday one 787 EX TLV and EX EWR ?
we must say they are getting 2, but possible that the second will only arrive end of October

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #330 on: July 21, 2017, 12:34:08 AM »
I will eat my hat when this happens. Such crap.
Why?
It will take 5 787s just to replace the lift of 3 747s.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #331 on: July 21, 2017, 01:13:03 AM »
Why?
It will take 5 787s just to replace the lift of 3 747s.

Actually even less, because their contract with Boing allows them to trade up the 787-9 for 787-10, which is about 17% less capacity than the 747. So I'd say about 4 787-10 for 3 747s

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #332 on: July 21, 2017, 05:04:03 AM »
Why?
It will take 5 787s just to replace the lift of 3 747s.
Very bad economics when most of the flights are scheduled for the same midnight departures anyways. There was never a better route for an A380.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #333 on: July 21, 2017, 05:13:36 AM »
Very bad economics when most of the flights are scheduled for the same midnight departures anyways. There was never a better route for an A380.
1) more frequency gives them a very big benefit over the others.
2) who says Ben Gurion runways can accept a a380? I don't think that airport ever had one land there yet. CMIIW.
3) El Al only purchases Boeing aircraft.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #334 on: July 21, 2017, 06:19:15 AM »
1) more frequency gives them a very big benefit over the others.
2) who says Ben Gurion runways can accept a a380? I don't think that airport ever had one land there yet. CMIIW.
3) El Al only purchases Boeing aircraft.

747-800?

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #335 on: July 21, 2017, 06:23:07 AM »
747-800?
They're bored of the 747's (and so are their customers). They're looking for something that will make waves

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #336 on: July 21, 2017, 07:13:43 AM »
They're bored of the 747's (and so are their customers). They're looking for something that will make waves

I dont think 90% of customers know the difference between a 747 and a 787. People want something new and modern. You can brand it any way you want it to Israelis.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #337 on: July 21, 2017, 09:51:10 AM »
Getting more landing slots at JFK will be tough. Until the new LGA is ready that is. Also, DL might assert influence to block it.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #338 on: July 21, 2017, 09:59:29 AM »
Not that hard to get 2 extra slots.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #339 on: July 21, 2017, 10:00:09 AM »
1) more frequency gives them a very big benefit over the others.
+1.
747 is a gas guzzler. Better off running 1 or 2 extra 787s.
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