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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #330 on: July 21, 2017, 12:34:08 AM »
I will eat my hat when this happens. Such crap.
Why?
It will take 5 787s just to replace the lift of 3 747s.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #331 on: July 21, 2017, 01:13:03 AM »
Why?
It will take 5 787s just to replace the lift of 3 747s.

Actually even less, because their contract with Boing allows them to trade up the 787-9 for 787-10, which is about 17% less capacity than the 747. So I'd say about 4 787-10 for 3 747s

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #332 on: July 21, 2017, 05:04:03 AM »
Why?
It will take 5 787s just to replace the lift of 3 747s.
Very bad economics when most of the flights are scheduled for the same midnight departures anyways. There was never a better route for an A380.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #333 on: July 21, 2017, 05:13:36 AM »
Very bad economics when most of the flights are scheduled for the same midnight departures anyways. There was never a better route for an A380.
1) more frequency gives them a very big benefit over the others.
2) who says Ben Gurion runways can accept a a380? I don't think that airport ever had one land there yet. CMIIW.
3) El Al only purchases Boeing aircraft.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #334 on: July 21, 2017, 06:19:15 AM »
1) more frequency gives them a very big benefit over the others.
2) who says Ben Gurion runways can accept a a380? I don't think that airport ever had one land there yet. CMIIW.
3) El Al only purchases Boeing aircraft.

747-800?

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #335 on: July 21, 2017, 06:23:07 AM »
747-800?
They're bored of the 747's (and so are their customers). They're looking for something that will make waves

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #336 on: July 21, 2017, 07:13:43 AM »
They're bored of the 747's (and so are their customers). They're looking for something that will make waves

I dont think 90% of customers know the difference between a 747 and a 787. People want something new and modern. You can brand it any way you want it to Israelis.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #337 on: July 21, 2017, 09:51:10 AM »
Getting more landing slots at JFK will be tough. Until the new LGA is ready that is. Also, DL might assert influence to block it.

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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #338 on: July 21, 2017, 09:59:29 AM »
Not that hard to get 2 extra slots.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #339 on: July 21, 2017, 10:00:09 AM »
1) more frequency gives them a very big benefit over the others.
+1.
747 is a gas guzzler. Better off running 1 or 2 extra 787s.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #340 on: July 21, 2017, 02:53:42 PM »
2) who says Ben Gurion runways can accept a a380? I don't think that airport ever had one land there yet. CMIIW.

TLV can apparently handle a380s:

http://www.iaa.gov.il/en-US/rashot/projects/Pages/Upgrading-Routes.aspx
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #341 on: July 21, 2017, 02:59:22 PM »
TLV can apparently handle a380s:

http://www.iaa.gov.il/en-US/rashot/projects/Pages/Upgrading-Routes.aspx
Unless EK starts TLV service, it doesn't seem like TLV will see an A380.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #342 on: July 21, 2017, 03:41:01 PM »
I think it is time to rename this thread to simply "LY Dreamliner"
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #343 on: July 21, 2017, 04:05:13 PM »
Unless EK starts TLV service, it doesn't seem like TLV will see an A380.

Considering what UAE did to Qatar, EK will do only fly to TLV after Moshiach comes.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #344 on: July 21, 2017, 04:09:06 PM »
Considering what UAE did to Qatar, EK will do only fly to TLV after Moshiach comes.
Eh. We'll have better means of transportation then. 😉
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