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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #160 on: June 13, 2017, 12:42:10 AM »
Quote from: shimino1 on June 12, 2017, 07:08:19 PM
I think that Elal charging more for business class just because now they aren't miles behind the competition is like United charging more for promising not to beat the cr*p  out of you.
Lol
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #161 on: June 14, 2017, 10:08:37 AM »
An anonymous source (that's the way of reporting these days  ;) ) told me that they will upgrade the food service on the new planes as well. You will be able to order a specific meal from menu etc. Guess they wanna keep up the idea to fly ELAL for their food.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #162 on: June 14, 2017, 10:12:16 AM »
Quote from: ilherman on June 14, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
An anonymous source (that's the way of reporting these days  ;) ) told me that they will upgrade the food service on the new planes as well. You will be able to order a specific meal from menu etc. Guess they wanna keep up the idea to fly ELAL for their food.

Interesting.
I find it surprising they made no mention of this during their launch events. Isn't that something they would already advertise?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #163 on: June 14, 2017, 10:27:43 AM »
Quote from: ilherman on June 14, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
An anonymous source (that's the way of reporting these days  ;) ) told me that they will upgrade the food service on the new planes as well. You will be able to order a specific meal from menu etc. Guess they wanna keep up the idea to fly ELAL for their food.
For Mehadrin?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #164 on: June 14, 2017, 10:31:28 AM »
Quote from: Dan on June 14, 2017, 10:27:43 AM
For Mehadrin?
If he would know this info I would've posted it.  ;)

I will try to dig in further. If the option would be for Mehadrin it would be really awesome.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #165 on: June 14, 2017, 11:25:50 AM »
Quote from: ilherman on June 14, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
An anonymous source (that's the way of reporting these days  ;) ) told me that they will upgrade the food service on the new planes as well. You will be able to order a specific meal from menu etc. Guess they wanna keep up the idea to fly ELAL for their food.
Was that a source close to the CEO or CFO?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #166 on: June 14, 2017, 05:24:40 PM »
Quote from: ilherman on June 14, 2017, 10:31:28 AM
If he would know this info I would've posted it.  ;)

I will try to dig in further. If the option would be for Mehadrin it would be really awesome.
Do you mean in-flight? Because LY has always had the option to order special meals even for Mehadrin (Fish, children, Dairy, etc.)
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #167 on: June 15, 2017, 02:24:44 PM »
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #168 on: June 15, 2017, 02:36:09 PM »
Quote from: Solma on June 15, 2017, 02:24:44 PM
https://thedesignair.net/2017/06/12/el-al-showcase-new-dreamliner-cabin-by-priestmangoode/
1. Those economy seats look horrendous.
2. The business seats are indeed narrow as I wrote they would be. 2" narrower than the UA 772/77W.
3. The ROI for a website redesign would be about 1,000x the ROI from this "brand identity for each class" business...
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #169 on: June 15, 2017, 02:38:57 PM »
Quote from: ilherman on June 14, 2017, 10:08:37 AM
An anonymous source (that's the way of reporting these days  ;) ) told me that they will upgrade the food service on the new planes as well. You will be able to order a specific meal from menu etc. Guess they wanna keep up the idea to fly ELAL for their food.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #170 on: June 15, 2017, 02:40:58 PM »
Is it just me or does Premium Economy look a lot more like "Economy Plus"?
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #171 on: June 15, 2017, 02:46:29 PM »
Quote from: Dan on June 15, 2017, 02:36:09 PM
2. The business seats are indeed narrow as I wrote they would be. 2" narrower than the UA 772/77W.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude the seats would have be narrower when the 787 is more than a foot narrower than the 777... unless you thought someone would be on the wing...  ;)
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #172 on: June 15, 2017, 02:51:04 PM »
Quote from: AJK on June 15, 2017, 02:46:29 PM
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to conclude the seats would have be narrower when the 787 is more than a foot narrower than the 777... unless you thought someone would be on the wing...  ;)
They're not the same seats/manufacturer.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #173 on: June 15, 2017, 02:55:23 PM »
Even still... something has to give when you're dealing with 6% less real estate.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #174 on: June 15, 2017, 02:59:17 PM »
Quote from: AJK on June 15, 2017, 02:55:23 PM
Even still... something has to give when you're dealing with 6% less real estate.
You can do a 1-2-1 with more space than UA, LY just chose not to, because, LY.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #175 on: June 15, 2017, 03:03:35 PM »
Quote from: Dan on June 15, 2017, 02:59:17 PM
You can do a 1-2-1 with more space than UA, LY just chose not to, because, LY.

I imagine it's not easy for LY on a 787 to have the same seat width, let alone more, than LY on a 777...  If it were, don't you think they would have done it?

There are only two things airline can change to accomplish that: aisle width and/or non-seat seat width.  There must be some rationale (legal, business, or otherwise) that precluded that option.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #176 on: June 15, 2017, 03:05:11 PM »
Quote from: Dan on June 15, 2017, 02:59:17 PM
You can do a 1-2-1 with more space than UA, LY just chose not to, because, LY.
You honestly believe that they intentionally made their seats narrower to make people less comfortable? C'mon, they finally invested in a better product. Let's give them credit where credit is due....

Can't wait for your upcoming trip report from the new J (make sure it's ex-TLV so you can review the King David too). I think you may actually be pleasantly surprised. It may not be as bad as you think.....
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #177 on: June 15, 2017, 03:08:27 PM »
Quote from: AJK on June 15, 2017, 03:03:35 PM
I imagine it's not easy for LY on a 787 to have the same seat width, let alone more, than LY on a 777...  If it were, don't you think they would have done it?

There are only two things airline can change to accomplish that: aisle width and/or non-seat seat width.  There must be some rationale (legal, business, or otherwise) that precluded that option.
Quote from: yandmk on June 15, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
You honestly believe that they intentionally made their seats narrower to make people less comfortable? C'mon, they finally invested in a better product. Let's give them credit where credit is due....

Can't wait for your upcoming trip report from the new J (make sure it's ex-TLV so you can review the King David too). I think you may actually be pleasantly surprised. It may not be as bad as you think.....
What in the world?
They went with a dense configuration. They could have done reverse herringbone and had a more spacious seat than UA.
Instead they went dense and have a narrow business seat.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #178 on: June 15, 2017, 03:14:32 PM »
What makes you think the seat width would have been increased had LY chosen reverse herringbone?

AC has reverse herringbone on their 787 and the seat width is... 21 inches.
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Re: Will the LY Dreamliner have a First Class cabin? (a little hint)
« Reply #179 on: June 15, 2017, 03:17:57 PM »
What does SG mean by 21-26" width on AAs 787?
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