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Author Topic: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread  (Read 169086 times)

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #620 on: December 10, 2017, 01:03:21 PM »
Interesting.
I've heard from several readers who thought that LY 787 Y was is a torture chamber.
FTFY

Might be highly correlated to the soft product.

Isn't their moto "it isn't an airline, it's Israel " or something to that effect?
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #621 on: December 10, 2017, 01:18:39 PM »
787 Y on AC was pretty bad too. Fortunately, my company has agreed to pay for PE going forward
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #622 on: December 10, 2017, 01:47:27 PM »
Was on AC 787 Y and was terrible

Somehow the LY 787 doesn't feel narrow. I'm thinking that maybe the seat pitch and legroom is better on LY 787 and that is why it is so much more comfortable than LY 777

Maybe they took some aisle space.. don't know. Where can we see seat width on the LY 787? Seat guru is not out yet

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #623 on: December 10, 2017, 02:00:46 PM »
787 Y is much narrower than 772 Y
Right, but this is relative to the 77W. Can make a difference for someone who needs the night flights.

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #624 on: December 10, 2017, 02:10:33 PM »
Was on AC 787 Y and was terrible

Somehow the LY 787 doesn't feel narrow. I'm thinking that maybe the seat pitch and legroom is better on LY 787 and that is why it is so much more comfortable than LY 777

Maybe they took some aisle space.. don't know. Where can we see seat width on the LY 787? Seat guru is not out yet
Should be identical to AC. Maybe you were having an LY halo effect.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #625 on: December 10, 2017, 02:11:12 PM »
Was on AC 787 Y and was terrible

Somehow the LY 787 doesn't feel narrow. I'm thinking that maybe the seat pitch and legroom is better on LY 787 and that is why it is so much more comfortable than LY 777

Maybe they took some aisle space.. don't know. Where can we see seat width on the LY 787? Seat guru is not out yet

See attached both maps
They are almost the same, I believe that LY feels more cramped because the Jet is narrower.
UA:
Width 17.05" (43.3 cm)
Pitch 31" (78 cm)


LY:
Width 17"
Pitch 31"


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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #626 on: December 10, 2017, 02:11:56 PM »
Right, but this is relative to the 77W. Can make a difference for someone who needs the night flights.
Except we were asking about the best Y seat from EWR:

Flew both. LY 787 is a real winner, even in Y

Legroom is decent, pitch is amazing (bottom part of seat moves along) & seat itself is very comfortable fabric. Similar to UA reg old 777 but newer

If I need to choose regular economy to Israel (without upgrading to econ plus) the LY 787 would be my first choice

I have a hard time believing best Y seat from EWR isn't the UA 772.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #627 on: December 10, 2017, 02:13:10 PM »
See attached both maps
They are almost the same, I believe that LY feels more cramped because the Jet is narrower.
UA:
Width 17.05" (43.3 cm)
Pitch 31" (78 cm)


LY:
Width 17"
Pitch 31"


77W and 787 are pretty awful in Y.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #628 on: December 10, 2017, 02:13:41 PM »
787 Y on AC was pretty bad too. Fortunately, my company has agreed to pay for PE going forward
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #629 on: December 10, 2017, 02:36:12 PM »
Except we were asking about the best Y seat from EWR

I think his point was that if you need to take a night flight on the return from TLV, your options are 77W from UA or 787 from LY.

Between the two they sound similar to me, I guess it might be seat comfort itself?
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #630 on: December 10, 2017, 02:39:23 PM »
See attached both maps
They are almost the same, I believe that LY feels more cramped because the Jet is narrower.
UA:
Width 17.05" (43.3 cm)
Pitch 31" (78 cm)


LY:
Width 17"
Pitch 31"

You forgot to add seat recline:

UA 3"
UA economy plus 4"
LY economy 5"

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #631 on: December 10, 2017, 03:02:41 PM »
The flip side to seat recline is the person in front of you reclining.

Though less chance of your laptop being crushed if there's no WiFi ;)
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #632 on: December 10, 2017, 03:35:30 PM »




I have a hard time believing best Y seat from EWR isn't the UA 772.

For sure.
Flying the 772 after flying 77W/787 in Y, I was like this must be pre econ.....

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #633 on: December 10, 2017, 07:02:05 PM »
The flip side to seat recline is the person in front of you reclining.

Though less chance of your laptop being crushed if there's no WiFi ;)
You are an official expert in flipping every positive thing about LY into a negative. Wow!

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #634 on: December 10, 2017, 07:34:51 PM »
Didn't say it was only negative, but there's a reason airlines don't give unlimited recline on 31" of pitch. It's a major trade-off.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #635 on: December 10, 2017, 07:35:52 PM »
You are an official expert in flipping every positive thing about LY into a negative. Wow!

I don't like to bash Dan - but he clearly has a bias against LY. I never heard a word of him bashing BA J among some others (SA etc.) class which is more or less like LY J. Even LH J class is nothing to write home about in some planes...

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #636 on: December 10, 2017, 07:42:25 PM »
BA J and LH J are known garbage and I've said that, what more should I say about them?

You've said LY 787 Y is better than UA 772 Y, which just about everyone says makes no sense.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #637 on: December 10, 2017, 08:51:57 PM »
I don't like to bash Dan - but he clearly has a bias against LY. I never heard a word of him bashing BA J among some others (SA etc.) class which is more or less like LY J. Even LH J class is nothing to write home about in some planes...

Dan, I'm am big fan of yours- I'm just being honest
There's no need for Dan to write a post about BA and LH not having great J products, that's well known.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #638 on: December 10, 2017, 10:23:51 PM »
There's no need for Dan to write a post about BA and LH not having great J products, that's well known.

So why is LY different? It's also well known. Dan keeps on poking fun at their product...

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #639 on: December 10, 2017, 10:26:03 PM »
So why is LY different? It's also well known.
And yet, here you are saying how amazing the LY 787 Y was...
Nobody ever posts how amazing BA/LH J are.
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