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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #720 on: January 28, 2018, 04:37:18 PM »
It's a mindset, not logic. Discovered it after lecturing to thousands of people in NYC over the years.

$$$ can change that easily. Regardless, if there will be more overall capacity, hopefully thatíll keep prices where theyíve been until now or maybe even cheaper from EWR. Iíd be surprised if theyíd be able to pull off a big premium to fly from JFK over EWR.

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #721 on: January 28, 2018, 04:41:35 PM »
$$$ can change that easily. Regardless, if there will be more overall capacity, hopefully thatíll keep prices where theyíve been until now or maybe even cheaper from EWR. Iíd be surprised if theyíd be able to pull off a big premium to fly from JFK over EWR.
I don't think they'll get a big premium, but a $50-$100 premium isn't out of the question.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #722 on: January 28, 2018, 04:59:15 PM »
I don't think they'll get a big premium, but a $50-$100 premium isn't out of the question.
FWIW, a nephew recently flew especially from TLV to EWR (despite the inconvenience and extra cost in tolls - which is no longer mitigated by cheaper gas) just to be able to experience the LY Dreamliner (in economy!)

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #723 on: January 28, 2018, 05:32:23 PM »
just to be able to experience the LY Dreamliner
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Interesting that Boeing invested hundreds of billions of dollars just to attract some Israelis...

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #724 on: January 28, 2018, 05:37:59 PM »
It's an article about the JFK market. It noted the EWR changes as well. The end.

The facts are actually the same. But it's all about how you present it to the readers.
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The BBC articles also have all the details in the article. It's the headline that makes the difference. Period.

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #725 on: January 28, 2018, 05:44:56 PM »

Interesting that Boeing invested hundreds of billions of dollars just to attract some Israelis...
Boeing invests money to attract its customers which are the airlines, that in turn are trying to maximize their profits on each route (except for special routes that have other reasons, such as a chairmanís route).

The airlines in turn, market to the flying public with their hard and soft product.

Look at one of the comments on DDF about how people get so excited about a new aircraft and gadgets, that they donít even realize that they have less space.

How much better is the LY 789 experience in cattle class vs the same on their 744?
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #726 on: January 28, 2018, 06:31:21 PM »
Boeing invests money to attract its customers which are the airlines, that in turn are trying to maximize their profits on each route (except for special routes that have other reasons, such as a chairmanís route).

The airlines in turn, market to the flying public with their hard and soft product.

Look at one of the comments on DDF about how people get so excited about a new aircraft and gadgets, that they donít even realize that they have less space.

How much better is the LY 789 experience in cattle class vs the same on their 744?
An improved IFE system with a wider screen and arriving to your destination without a huge headache is nothing to you? I'd probably choose a better flight experience with fresher lighting, less dryness, etc. over an inch of extra seat width. But everyone can do what works for them. I just like the way you named it an "Israeli mentality" על טעם וריח...
I also find it interesting, that El AL gets so much negative coverage on their dreamliner economy seats, when it has nothing to do with them and all to do with manufacturer Boeing. It's the same narrow on all airlines that fly the 787. I've yet to see an airline who configured the plane 2-3-2 in economy...

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #727 on: January 28, 2018, 06:48:03 PM »

An improved IFE system with a wider screen and arriving to your destination without a huge headache is nothing to you? I'd probably choose a better flight experience with fresher lighting, less dryness, etc. over an inch of extra seat width. But everyone can do what works for them. I just like the way you named it an "Israeli mentality" על טעם וריח...
I also find it interesting, that El AL gets so much negative coverage on their dreamliner economy seats, when it has nothing to do with them and all to do with manufacturer Boeing. It's the same narrow on all airlines that fly the 787. I've yet to see an airline who configured the plane 2-3-2 in economy...
The Israeli mentality picks the 787 flight for reasons other than those you mentioned. They pick it because itís the new toy. Itís the same mentality that puts the Dreamliner in LYís Hebrew ads, just stating that itís the latest and greatest, without the actual details you mentioned. Itís the same mentality that gets away with terrible service (in Y) and a non competitive mileage program.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #728 on: January 28, 2018, 06:48:17 PM »
The BBC articles also have all the details in the article. It's the headline that makes the difference. Period.
Nothing wrong with the headline. It's a big reduction on their flagship route.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #729 on: January 28, 2018, 07:02:19 PM »
The Israeli mentality picks the 787 flight for reasons other than those you mentioned. They pick it because itís the new toy. Itís the same mentality that puts the Dreamliner in LYís Hebrew ads, just stating that itís the latest and greatest, without the actual details you mentioned. Itís the same mentality that gets away with terrible service (in Y) and a non competitive mileage program.
Nothing wrong with disliking an airline, but the reasons you give are sometimes pretty ridiculous. What's Israeli mentality about El Al making a big splash about their new aircraft? Did you ever visit the homepage of Singapore, Delta, Air Canada, etc. From what I see, all airlines proudly show off their new aircraft in ads and on their homepage.
Bottom line, I think the fact that you don't miss an opportunity to disparage El Al, has more to do with your own attitude than El Al's attitude...

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #730 on: January 28, 2018, 07:03:11 PM »
An improved IFE system with a wider screen and arriving to your destination without a huge headache is nothing to you? I'd probably choose a better flight experience with fresher lighting, less dryness, etc. over an inch of extra seat width. But everyone can do what works for them. I just like the way you named it an "Israeli mentality" על טעם וריח...
I also find it interesting, that El AL gets so much negative coverage on their dreamliner economy seats, when it has nothing to do with them and all to do with manufacturer Boeing. It's the same narrow on all airlines that fly the 787. I've yet to see an airline who configured the plane 2-3-2 in economy...
Boeing first showcased the plane 2-4-2, and only the Japanese (the first to operate the 787) are configured so.

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #731 on: January 28, 2018, 07:07:22 PM »

Nothing wrong with disliking an airline, but the reasons you give are sometimes pretty rediculous. What's Israeli mentality about El Al making a big splash about their new aircraft? Did you ever visit the homepage of Singapore, Delta, Air Canada, etc. From what I see, all airlines proudly show off their new aircraft in ads and on their homepage.
Bottom line, I think the fact that you don't miss an opportunity to disparage El Al, has more to do with your own attitude than El Al's attitude...
What you totally missed in my #IsraeliMentality comment, that it wasnít about the airline but about the person who went out of his way to fly the LY Dreamliner, and not for the advantages you mentioned. Just take my word for this fact ביודעי ומכירי קאמינא.
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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #732 on: January 28, 2018, 07:19:44 PM »
What you totally missed in my #IsraeliMentality comment, that it wasnít about the airline but about the person who went out of his way to fly the LY Dreamliner, and not for the advantages you mentioned. Just take my word for this fact ביודעי ומכירי קאמינא.
People do that all the time for a new acft, I once booked someone with a double stop so he can do the A380 (LH was flying it temporary to NY then as they pulled it from Japan after the earthquake, they didn't start regular NY service then)

Airbus created a website people can search and book A380 flights, people have an interest in these regardless of airline

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #733 on: January 28, 2018, 07:25:43 PM »
What you totally missed in my #IsraeliMentality comment, that it wasnít about the airline but about the person who went out of his way to fly the LY Dreamliner, and not for the advantages you mentioned. Just take my word for this fact ביודעי ומכירי קאמינא.
I didn't miss anything. I live IL, and I know all about Israeli mentality and I grew up in the US (heart of Brooklyn) and I know all about US (especially NY) mentality too. Bottom line stays the same. It's all in the attitude.

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Re: El Al 787 Dreamliner Master Thread
« Reply #734 on: January 28, 2018, 07:28:05 PM »
LY 1 to switch to the Dreamliner Oct 28 (beginning of winter season). LY will then operate all NYC flights with a 789 with 2 daily flights to JFK and 2 daily flights to EWR, compared to 3 flights total this winter.
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