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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2017, 01:35:19 PM »
I think ha gufa the argument is that oats are not one of the 5 grains for that reason, and that 2-row and 6-row barley are 2 of the 5
Is that what this author is saying? I thought I saw somewhere in there a list of the 5 and oats were included, but I might be wrong. I am aware that there is some debate over whether oats are considered one of the 5 but in my understanding the majority opinion is that it is.

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2017, 02:01:46 PM »
Is that what this author is saying? I thought I saw somewhere in there a list of the 5 and oats were included, but I might be wrong. I am aware that there is some debate over whether oats are considered one of the 5 but in my understanding the majority opinion is that it is.

I didn't read it.  I was just noting that it's debated whether oats are one of the 5. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind making shehakol on cheerios.

A better question is, if oats are not a grain, are they kitniyos?

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2017, 02:07:25 PM »
Did he reach his conclusion based on the shtickle or did he reach the shtickle based on the conclusion?
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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2017, 03:05:11 PM »
Did he teach his conclusion based on the shtickle or did he teach the shtickle based on the conclusion?
what do you mean?

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #64 on: March 28, 2017, 03:10:30 PM »
what do you mean?
does my fix of a typo help you?
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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #65 on: March 28, 2017, 03:13:21 PM »



Also, wondering if the Yehuda matzah style is available in Israel. Its made there but I heard in the past it has not been available in stores
Definitely​ was all over last year.

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #66 on: March 28, 2017, 03:16:10 PM »
I didn't read it.  I was just noting that it's debated whether oats are one of the 5. 

yes, its debated, but what isnt in our religion. Bottom line is Rav Moshe, Rav Elyashiv, and The Rav all held that oats are the 5th grain.

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #67 on: March 28, 2017, 03:21:55 PM »
Definitely​ was all over last year.
thanks, i will ask someone in Israel to look for me before I go.
I was able to order gf oat matzah from bnei brak to be delivered to yerushalayim. but my kids mostly eat the matzah style things.

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2017, 08:56:20 AM »


thanks, i will ask someone in Israel to look for me before I go.
Saw them in more than one store today.

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2017, 10:39:52 AM »
Saw them in more than one store today.
what specific stores so that I can ask someone to buy for me

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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2017, 10:40:49 AM »
what specific stores so that I can ask someone to buy for me
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Re: Gluten free matzah
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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2017, 12:13:12 PM »
THAT is your source? The minhag to have thin matzo comes from the RIV"A and the Kol Bo quoting drashos HaRaAVa"D based upon a rashi
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and codified by RMA
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There's a distinction to be made between THIN matzos (רקיקין), which also the Yemenites do, and CRACKER style matzos (which have much less water and are kneaded much faster), which I believe are much more recent. As quoted in the source I brought, the Alter Rebbe says: "ומה שלא הזכירו זה הפוסקים, היינו משום שזה אינו מצוי כלל אלא בעיסה קשה שלא נילושה יפה, ובדורות הראשונים היו שוהין הרבה בלישה וגלגול עד שהיה נילוש יפה, עד שמקרוב זה עשרים שנה או יותר נתפשטה זהירות זו בישראל קדושים למהר מאד מאד בלישה, ואין לשין יפה יפה, ולכן נמצא קמח מעט במצות של עיסה קשה, כנראה בחוש למדקדקים באמת".

As a side note, if you look in Rashi on this weeks parsha (ויקרא ב, ה) it seems that even though the previous psukim are talking about רקיקין, only this one is hard due to frying, hence רקיקין are not necessarily hard, but only thin.
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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2017, 12:28:22 PM »
There's a distinction to be made between THIN matzos (רקיקין), which also the Yemenites do, and CRACKER style matzos (which have much less water and are kneaded much faster), which I believe are much more recent. As quoted in the source I brought, the Alter Rebbe says: "ומה שלא הזכירו זה הפוסקים, היינו משום שזה אינו מצוי כלל אלא בעיסה קשה שלא נילושה יפה, ובדורות הראשונים היו שוהין הרבה בלישה וגלגול עד שהיה נילוש יפה, עד שמקרוב זה עשרים שנה או יותר נתפשטה זהירות זו בישראל קדושים למהר מאד מאד בלישה, ואין לשין יפה יפה, ולכן נמצא קמח מעט במצות של עיסה קשה, כנראה בחוש למדקדקים באמת".

As a side note, if you look in Rashi on this weeks parsha (ויקרא ב, ה) it seems that even though the previous psukim are talking about רקיקין, only this one is hard due to frying, hence רקיקין are not necessarily hard, but only thin.
From the discussions of the poskim and what they are contrasting it to it is clear that they are talking about hard matzo like ours. What you are quoting does not refer to a change in the texture of the baked matzo but to a change in the kneading process.
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Re: Gluten free matzah
« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2017, 04:13:21 AM »
any others?
Almost all the stores in ramat eshkol, arzei, maala dafna area had it. But it seems to be all over.