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1 day or 2 days in Israel
« on: March 26, 2017, 06:59:11 PM »
Americans who go to israel, what do you keep? 1 day or 2 days for holidays?

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2017, 07:01:48 PM »
The halacha is that unless you're a resident of Eretz Yisrael that isn't planning on returning to live permanently outside of Israel, you're required to keep two days of Yom Tov. I'm not sure how people go about the holidays.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2017, 07:04:13 PM »
The halacha is that unless you're an Israeli resident that isn't planning on returning to live permanently outside of Israel, you're required to keep two days of Yom Tov. I'm not sure how people go about the holidays.


I certainly kept one day. I even flew chol hamoed once and kept 2 days first days and 1 day second days.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2017, 07:08:39 PM »

I certainly kept one day. I even flew chol hamoed once and kept 2 days first days and 1 day second days.
Do you live in America or Israel?
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2017, 07:10:21 PM »
Do you live in America or Israel?

America. Just fyi sfardim have a different halacha if you are unmarried.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2017, 07:10:51 PM »
The halacha is that unless you're a resident of Eretz Yisrael that isn't planning on returning to live permanently outside of Israel, you're required to keep two days of Yom Tov. I'm not sure how people go about the holidays.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2017, 07:39:28 PM »
America. Just fyi sfardim have a different halacha if you are unmarried.

what is it for sephardim who are married?

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2017, 07:39:57 PM »
The halacha is that unless you're a resident of Eretz Yisrael that isn't planning on returning to live permanently outside of Israel, you're required to keep two days of Yom Tov. I'm not sure how people go about the holidays.
Yea why just make up stuff? There are so many different menugim.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2017, 07:40:35 PM »
what is it for sephardim who are married?
Depnds to how many wife's

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2017, 07:45:52 PM »
I don't get it. Why can't you just ask your LOR?

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2017, 08:17:00 PM »
I don't get it. Why can't you just ask your LOR?
For things like chilul Yom tov, chametz and tefillin he'd rather rely on some random guy on a forum
Unless he's just asking to hear different experiences

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2017, 08:21:44 PM »
I don't get it. Why can't you just ask your LOR?
DDF is much more fun than LOR.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2017, 08:32:10 PM »
For things like chilul Yom tov, chametz and tefillin he'd rather rely on some random guy on a forum
Unless he's just asking to hear different experiences

DDF is much more fun than LOR.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2017, 08:33:05 PM »
DDF is much more fun than LOR.

i.e. imagine if you could sell points


Unless he's just asking to hear different experiences

This was my thought

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2017, 08:51:20 PM »
For things like chilul Yom tov, chametz and tefillin he'd rather rely on some random guy on a forum
Unless he's just asking to hear different experiences

just wanted to hear different thoughts and experiences...

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2017, 12:11:02 AM »
I spent one YT in Eretz Yisroel.
At first I was very bothered, I researched the entire Sugya and it seemed that whatever I did I would get it wrong according to some respectable opinions.
After thinking through it many times I came to an understanding that whatever you do there are many merits and explanations for those opinions and as long as that's what your LOR told you to do, you're good.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2017, 12:13:50 AM »
At least acknowledge what is the accepted psak by the vast vast majority of poskim. Not saying that your Rabbi can't hold differently.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2017, 12:24:47 AM »
At least acknowledge what is the accepted psak by the vast vast majority of poskim. Not saying that your Rabbi can't hold differently.
Why?

It's a very complicated Sugya from many angles.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2017, 12:46:18 AM »
It's a very complicated Sugya from many angles.
Yup. i spent way too much time going crazy on this. I'm going for pesach and im going to keep 2 days (obviously if there is any sort of possible emergency/someone in slight danger i will break it faster than u can say havdalah on yom kippur). there is no simple answer. I lived in sha'arei chessed for a while and always kept extra days, and heard from many people there how r Slomo Zalman was strongly opposed to the 2nd day minyanim with people saying brachos that really make no sense in israel and against the minhag of the community, and without a clear source in chazal that the application of the 2 day custom should apply when actually being in israel (note that in the time of the bm, no visitors/oleh regel kept a second day/brought second day karbanos, yet here we are prattling about this and that musaf...). Moreover, while there are few possible real instances of a possible Ba'al Toseif breach, eating matzah and no chametz on the 8th day is one of the few cases where it really looks like it should be an issue, and at the very least is avak ba'al toseif  ;D.
that said, there is a lot of firepower backing the need to be machmir and not be over on yom tov restrictions either that i just dont want to mess with (though there are recent big poskim like R Melamed that would rule for many visitors who have strong connections (spent a lot of time in israel already and will spend more) that its ok). its like a tightrope. i will daven in a big minyan, but i will fill really awkward about it. S’iz shver tzu zein a Yid, especially a galus yid.

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Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2017, 06:15:09 AM »
The halacha is that unless you're a resident of Eretz Yisrael that isn't planning on returning to live permanently outside of Israel, you're required to keep two days of Yom Tov. I'm not sure how people go about the holidays.
on a forum hosted by a chabadsker at least acknowledge that chabad follows the baal hatanya and chacham tzvi and do 1 day in israel