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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2024, 03:02:29 PM »
Who is your Rav, if I may ask?
His name is Rav Shain, he isn't a Rav of a Shul, but he is a bukee beHalacha, learning Halacha for probably close to a half a century ka'h. He gives a Halacha Shiur once a week to a few people... He isn't 'famous'....
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2024, 03:48:41 PM »
It's not whether you have it, it's whether the agent decides to weigh it the carry-on, which is rare.

I don't see why it's thievery to try to avoid having them weigh it at checkin if you aren't even asked about it.

If they dont ask to weigh it, why the big bother to hide stuff?
Just go to check in with all your stuff like a normal person

I havent a chance yet to ask the Rabbanim I had in mind to ask, though I spoke about it with a few youngerlite and they couldnt see a tzad heter.

It very mych could be dependent on what the situation is (which airline and level of hakpada), and therefore how you present the shayla.
Like the difference between Delta (no weight limit) or BA (23kg - which is almost impossible to reach in a standard size carryon short of packing lead or rocks) vs an airline like ELAL (7kg, and in the pre kenny days they weighed everyone in economy - especially bachurim and sem girls ex TLV   ;D) who showed their hakpadot.

(Also there was a poster that i quoted in mt original post who advocated saying that you have no carryon if asked.... :'()
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2024, 04:25:26 PM »
If they dont ask to weigh it, why the big bother to hide stuff?
Just go to check in with all your stuff like a normal person

I havent a chance yet to ask the Rabbanim I had in mind to ask, though I spoke about it with a few youngerlite and they couldnt see a tzad heter.

It very mych could be dependent on what the situation is (which airline and level of hakpada), and therefore how you present the shayla.
Like the difference between Delta (no weight limit) or BA (23kg - which is almost impossible to reach in a standard size carryon short of packing lead or rocks) vs an airline like ELAL (7kg, and in the pre kenny days they weighed everyone in economy - especially bachurim and sem girls ex TLV   ;D) who showed their hakpadot.

(Also there was a poster that i quoted in mt original post who advocated saying that you have no carryon if asked.... :'()
According to your logic you should be required to notify the agent that it’s overweight even if you aren’t asked when flying El Al, because it’s Jewishly owned.

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2024, 04:28:06 PM »
If they dont ask to weigh it, why the big bother to hide stuff?
Just go to check in with all your stuff like a normal person
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2024, 05:22:39 PM »
According to your logic you should be required to notify the agent that it’s overweight even if you aren’t asked when flying El Al, because it’s Jewishly owned.

possibly. I havent personaly flown ELAL in quite a while.

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t

So you see that they are makpid... If they wern't why would they ever weigh them?

So the prevailing thought here is that unless the airlines do a full ukrainian air style sizing and weighing of carryons at a checkpoint its called that they're not makpid and you can do what ever you want to hide what you are bringing on board??? I find that very hard to accept.


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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2024, 07:54:56 PM »
I find that very hard to accept.

I can't help you accept it. Though I'm still not understanding why you MUST show the luggage to them and make sure it's with you. How you fooling them?? They are fooling themselves...

Besides, as I said before, even IF you had to take it on line. What's going to happen anyway?? You take stuff out and put back in..
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2024, 11:20:55 PM »
Yes. Absolutely love it.

Soft sided lets me stuff more things in, and I hate having to either split my stuff into two halves or have things tumble out when I open it.
What makes it standout from the carryons that are half the price (or more)?

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2024, 11:23:50 PM »
And cry me a river about your tallis and tefillin taking up all the weight - that's the same cost of being a Yid as paying more for meat is. You're just rationalising sheker.
(Anyway, you could always put them on at check-in...)
I cant speak for all the airlines but I noticed on Frontiers website that religious items don't count against your baggage allowance. The example there was a praying carpet. Tallis/Teffilin should certainly qualify. I'm curious if that is standard by other airlines as well

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #68 on: February 29, 2024, 12:52:26 AM »
+1.
Alternatively, hide it close to the desk so the check-in agent doesn't see it.

IME foreign airlines  will require some sort of bag tag to show proof that the bag was accepted as a carry on.
I rarely check in bags when I travel solo and only for less than a week, however I found that the heaviest items are my seforim, and the tuna cans, therefore I am taking it out before and holding it in my personal item together with talis and tefilin, which they will never weigh.
I don't see why it would be geniva, as the airlines have no limits on personal items and stuff on your pockets.

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #69 on: February 29, 2024, 05:01:05 AM »
OK.
I sense quite a bit of obfuscation on what the shayla is

Let's clorify the shayla as follows:

Airlines level of hakpada
A. Airlines that have no weight limit at all
B. Airlines that have a weight limit of "you need to be able to lift it into the overhead bin"
C. Airlines that have a theoretical weight limit, just never ever enforce it
D. Airlines that the usually don't enforce the weight/size limit, unless the checkin agent notices something out of the ordinary
E. Airlines that have a weight limt and enforce it selectively, either on certain flights, or during certain seasons.
F. Airlines that have a weight limit, and usually enforce it, just on certain high pressure routes and/or times, choose to priorities timely service over enforcement
G. Airlines that inspect every carryon at checkin and check overweight/size ones for free.
H. Airlines that inspect every carryon at checkin and charge to check overweight/size ones.
I. Airlines that inspect every carryon at the Gate or just before it at a checkpoint and charge for checking overweight/size.

Evasive actions taken to avoid weigh in - partial list  ;)
1. Wearing coats, holding umbrella, holding one sefer
2. Packing heavy stuff in the personal item and rearanging after the carryon is weighed
3. Heavy items in pockets, jacket, coat
4. Wearing abnormal amounts of clothing - multiple shirts, pants, sweaters
5. Placing the carryon close to the checkin desk in the hope that they dont notice/weigh it
6. Taking stuff out of the judged to be overweight bag, hgetting the OK from the checkin agent, and repacking.
7. Leaving some of your stuff with a friend, getting weighed, and repacking.
8. Leaving the entire carryon with friend and when asked to weigh/size the carryon saying "Its with my friend/partner"
9. Leaving the entire carryon with friend and when asked to weigh/size the carryon saying "I don't have one"
10. Passing your suitcase over/around the partition at the checkpoint/gate to avoid having it weighed/sized

Cases A,B,C - Theres no reason to be playing shtick anyway.
Cases H, I (and prob F,G too, and maybe even E) I fail to see why anything should be muttar other than 1,2,3,4,and maybe 5,6. I don't see the difference between 7,8,9,10 and not scanning all your items in a self checkout. The stores should inspect more bags, check better, they're fooling themselves!! What's the difference that one thing being stolen is an item and the other is a charged for service??? (I could see a tzad heter in 7, that if the agent says oh thats ok we dont need to weigh it today, she is authorised to do that)

The shalya is what is mutter in cases D, E, F, (G??).

EDIT: (On further reflection, G might actually be the most chamur category bec you see the hakpada is on using the overhead bins with heavy bags, so you may not even be allowed to do 2 or 3)

Further edit: Realized i left out the "remove items, reweigh, repack" option
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #70 on: February 29, 2024, 05:28:38 AM »
I cant speak for all the airlines but I noticed on Frontiers website that religious items don't count against your baggage allowance. The example there was a praying carpet. Tallis/Teffilin should certainly qualify. I'm curious if that is standard by other airlines as well

Ukrainian allowed you to remove your T/T before putting the bag in the sizer

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #71 on: February 29, 2024, 08:14:34 AM »
Nice bread down.

I think an important point you aren’t accounting for is that usually there is zero monetary loss to the airline. It’s just a question of going through the hassle to rearrange your stuff temporarily.

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #72 on: February 29, 2024, 09:14:43 AM »
and the tuna cans

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #73 on: February 29, 2024, 11:08:20 AM »
Game changer. You're welcome.



You can't squeeze the water out of these like you would with a can.

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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #74 on: February 29, 2024, 11:09:43 AM »
Game changer. You're welcome.
My parents take these on every flight and long drive.
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #75 on: February 29, 2024, 12:19:24 PM »
You can't squeeze the water out of these like you would with a can.

There's nothing to squeeze out of these, it's just tuna.
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #76 on: February 29, 2024, 12:21:37 PM »
What makes it standout from the carryons that are half the price (or more)?

I can load this up with 50lb of stuff, throw a backpack and a bunch of other stuff on it, and it still wheels like a dream. I can walk with this for hours, it needs the lightest touch and always goes straight. With my old carry on, my wrist would hurt from fighting with it after 10 minutes. That alone makes it worth the money for me.
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #77 on: February 29, 2024, 03:39:36 PM »
Thank you @yfr bachur for you cases. I still don't see any reason for why you can't leave it with someone else.

Please discuss it with your Rav (or a few) and see what they think...
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #78 on: February 29, 2024, 04:22:38 PM »
Thank you @yfr bachur for you cases. I still don't see any reason for why you can't leave it with someone else.

Please discuss it with your Rav (or a few) and see what they think...

Do you agree case I and evasion 10 is an issue?
Or is that also OK in your book?

BL"n over shabbos I'll get a couple.
Next monday (10 days) Ill have Rav Berkowitz captive for a few hours! while we bake matzos so I'll try and ask him then.
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Re: Best carry-on suitcase
« Reply #79 on: February 29, 2024, 04:48:44 PM »
Do you agree case I and evasion 10 is an issue?
Or is that also OK in your book?

BL"n over shabbos I'll get a couple.
Next monday (10 days) Ill have Rav Berkowitz captive for a few hours! while we bake matzos so I'll try and ask him then.
I'll try to catch R' Yitzchok Silver next week too.

I and 10 isn't what we were discussing...

That's what I was saying should be done if they don't wanted to weigh it. Yes, I do agree overhere (only) that it would be problematic..
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