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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #150 on: April 04, 2017, 05:57:17 PM »
I always think about this when new technology comes out that people are against for Shabbos for example. That, at one point when we got electricity others before then felt the same way about those changes.

Everything has to be taken with an open mind.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #151 on: April 04, 2017, 05:57:23 PM »
Of course I'm defensive- my choice is being attacked as lacking in so many areas.

Again, I've stayed home many, many times while those attacking my choice have only seen one side. I've seen both. 
I agree-depending on the program. I have done both and would only go to a hotel if it was for whatever reason the only available option, but I can understand how for many there are reasons why that is the case.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #152 on: April 04, 2017, 05:58:07 PM »
There's a difference between assuming luxury is the norm and the times changing.
I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't healthy to go to a program every year.

But it's nice to give everyone a break now and then if you can swing it and if your minhagim allow for it.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #153 on: April 04, 2017, 05:58:14 PM »
Stinks to have to fly on a plane to Israel.
Was so much more meaningful to spend a year to get there via horse. Nowadays you just swipe your cards and your kids will have no appreciation for the place.
Sad!

Maybe, but oleh regel was a huge yom tov back in the day. Imagine how crazy jerusalem was erev pesach ?

Do you read and internalize the text in the siddur after "korban pesach"

This year for the first time i'll bake matzos mitzvah, im excited

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #154 on: April 04, 2017, 06:00:08 PM »
Stinks to have to fly on a plane to Israel.
Was so much more meaningful to spend a year to get there via horse. Nowadays you just swipe your cards and your kids will have no appreciation for the place.
Sad!
Please dont equate visiting Eretz Yisrael with preparing for a yom tov.

Also, you're too young to appreciate that when you saw a Jew from Eretz Yisrael he was held in reverance. I'm talking 1970's, 1980's it was a distant place that has now become more accessible.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #155 on: April 04, 2017, 06:00:56 PM »
Also, you're too young to appreciate that when you saw a Jew from Eretz Yisrael he was held in reverance. I'm talking 1970's, 1980's it was a distant place that has now become more accessible.
Exactly. Times change. Some old feeling won't be felt anymore as they did in the day it took a boat ride to cross the Atlantic. Those days aren't coming back.
We also have electricity by our Seders. Judaism and our kids will survive this too.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #156 on: April 04, 2017, 06:01:28 PM »
I think few would argue that there isn't something special and different about putting in all the effort and having Pesach in your own home, or at a family members home and the feeling that comes with it.

If you choose this as your only way that you want to do Pesach then great!

But to argue that the other way is "wrong" because it's different seems silly to me.
What about the feeling about being with so many yidden and many times different types of yidden and all celebrating Yom Tov together?
What about your kids seeing other families doing things a little differently, dressed a little differently, singing a little differently and all celebrating together?

Like all things there are plus and minuses to all.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #157 on: April 04, 2017, 06:01:47 PM »
I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't healthy to go to a program every year.

But it's nice to give everyone a break now and then if you can swing it and if your minhagim allow for it.
Agreed! I just didn't think his approach to those that were opposed to the idea, was right.

There was an idea to start a Ben Pakua farm once upon a time, and the main reason it was looked down upon, was because it would take many pieces out of our religion. A big part of our religion is built on customs and mesora.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #158 on: April 04, 2017, 06:02:04 PM »
Like all things there are plus and minuses to all.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #159 on: April 04, 2017, 06:02:24 PM »
While I myself am not a hotel person I don't think you "need to make your wife work" just to be able to show her appreciation.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #160 on: April 04, 2017, 06:02:50 PM »
I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't healthy to go to a program every year.

But it's nice to give everyone a break now and then if you can swing it and if your minhagim allow for it.

But Dan! How do you show appreciation to your wife! If arthritis doesn't set in before the Mah Nishtana you won't get that spiritual high.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #161 on: April 04, 2017, 06:03:40 PM »
I think the problem is not only with the hotels, but rather the whole dilution of true Pesach values. Pesach has become a huge, huge, industry. It is almost nauseating to see the "new" products that look so much like chometz, taste like chometz etc... ( wither they really do or not is a different story). It is not only the hotels. The whole indulgence to have Pizza, Bagels, Doughnuts, etc...

I will give you an example of the problem with all of this:

Close to 20 years ago I remember going to a Chol Hamoed arcade venue of where I saw Frum kids buying Coke from the soda machine. It was clearly not Kosher L'Pesach. But why should the think twice? Coke is on their table at the Seder after all! It is for this reason I will only buy the less desirable Kosher brands of Soda on Pesach. This was 20 years ago.

I know that there was talk many years ago that Entenmann's almost had a deal with a Kosher Bakery to label Pesach Cakes for them. Imagine if there were Kosher L'Pesach Entenmann's???

Do we really need Pizza and Doughnuts? What happens when they perfect it and the Pizza looks and tastes like Pizza? Will we have a whole generation that just remembers eating Pizza and Doughnuts on Pesach?

I know the Pizza and Doughnuts are extreme examples, but the whole yom tov of Pesach is about creating limitations, if you look in Seforim. I am not saying I don't buy products, but at least your family should know that on Pesach we don't need every type of indulgence.

However, once you go to a Hotel, you are most likely being served every type of indulgence; at least that is the impression of those who do not go...

If you stay home, at least there is a chance.

Some people need the hotel for various reasons ( no time to prepare, elderly, not capable of preparing, don't have room for the whole family, etc...) but I just can't condone it for the mainstream.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #162 on: April 04, 2017, 06:03:49 PM »
But Dan! How do you show appreciation to your wife! If arthritis doesn't set in before the Mah Nishtana you won't get that spiritual high.
Somehow, someway, I'll find a way.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #163 on: April 04, 2017, 06:04:08 PM »
But Dan! How do you show appreciation to your wife! If arthritis doesn't set in before the Mah Nishtana you won't get that spiritual high.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #164 on: April 04, 2017, 06:04:30 PM »
Stinks to have to fly on a plane to Israel.
Was so much more meaningful to spend a year to get there via horse. Nowadays you just swipe your cards and your kids will have no appreciation for the place.
Sad!

You have a horse that can swim the Atlantic in a year? Wow!