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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #360 on: April 20, 2017, 03:55:25 PM »
Libun is not possible for a significant portion of the equipment used. Neither is buying new a real option for much of it. There is something missing from this story.
pretty sure libun is possible and it is how many mashgichim kasher. Big blow torch and all. easier than kashering sometimes. Either way i was not the posek on the case and there have been other mitigating factors to allow different kulos that were known to a posek who had shas and poskim on his fingertips as opposed to an am haaretz like me.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #361 on: April 20, 2017, 03:58:21 PM »
pretty sure libun is possible and it is how many mashgichim kasher. Big blow torch and all. easier than kashering sometimes. Either way i was not the posek on the case and there have been other mitigating factors to allow different kulos that were known to a posek who had shas and poskim on his fingertips as opposed to an am haaretz like me.
I didn't mean because of the volume but because things could get ruined by libun. Once something could get ruined by libun it doesn't help to try. THere may have been other mitigating factors. I am just saying there is more to the story here.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #362 on: April 20, 2017, 04:03:08 PM »
I didn't mean because of the volume but because things could get ruined by libun. Once something could get ruined by libun it doesn't help to try. THere may have been other mitigating factors. I am just saying there is more to the story here.
http://www.ok.org/consumers/passover/the-koshering-of-pesach-hotels/ it definitely is a complicated process!
from the article
"Then the mashgichim trained in the use of blow torches begin to work. All the surfaces of an item require kosherizing and are heated to the correct temperature. Often the local fire department is notified in advance that this activity is taking place and may even be present to deal with the inevitable triggering of fire alarms. The grills and skillets need to be koshered with a glowing layer of hot coals. Glassware must be soaked in water for 24 hours, the water emptied and replaced. This process must be repeated twice more. Wooden surfaces such as butcher blocks must be sanded down. The dishwashers must be stripped down, meticulously cleaned and then the internal thermostat must be overridden (often with the assistance of a technician) so the cycle can be run with boiling water. During the koshering period, the entire mashgiach team generally works around the clock, all while dealing with the provisions that are arriving constantly and ensuring that they meet the OK kashrus standards."

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #363 on: April 20, 2017, 04:07:15 PM »
For someone who seems to have coined the term "Chumra"

Sounds harsh to me...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #364 on: April 20, 2017, 04:10:07 PM »
Sounds harsh to me...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #365 on: April 20, 2017, 04:11:02 PM »
http://www.ok.org/consumers/passover/the-koshering-of-pesach-hotels/ it definitely is a complicated process!
from the article
"Then the mashgichim trained in the use of blow torches begin to work. All the surfaces of an item require kosherizing and are heated to the correct temperature. Often the local fire department is notified in advance that this activity is taking place and may even be present to deal with the inevitable triggering of fire alarms. The grills and skillets need to be koshered with a glowing layer of hot coals. Glassware must be soaked in water for 24 hours, the water emptied and replaced. This process must be repeated twice more. Wooden surfaces such as butcher blocks must be sanded down. The dishwashers must be stripped down, meticulously cleaned and then the internal thermostat must be overridden (often with the assistance of a technician) so the cycle can be run with boiling water. During the koshering period, the entire mashgiach team generally works around the clock, all while dealing with the provisions that are arriving constantly and ensuring that they meet the OK kashrus standards."
Yes there is definitely libun used for some parts of the kitchen but that does not mean that it can be done usining only libun. Also, blow torches are typically used for libun kal which is also questionable as to whether it can be done on Pesach. The Pri Megadim says not but I can see R' Belsky not following that psak when necessary due to some kashyos on it.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #366 on: April 20, 2017, 04:14:57 PM »
This story makes no sense. You can't kasher it on pesach.
just thinking, if its a goys keilim why cant you kasher it on pesach?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #367 on: April 20, 2017, 04:15:01 PM »
For someone who seems to have coined the term "Chumra" I'm surprised you are so quick to do this without thinking about lashon hara.
What assumptions are you making?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #368 on: April 20, 2017, 04:17:00 PM »
just thinking, if its a goys keilim why cant you kasher it on pesach?
How does that help?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #369 on: April 20, 2017, 04:19:15 PM »
Chabad seems to always have politics with the local establishments, was that the case here?

I know, right? Everywhere you go Chabad is just destroying local business.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #370 on: April 20, 2017, 04:20:30 PM »
Yes there is definitely libun used for some parts of the kitchen but that does not mean that it can be done usining only libun. Also, blow torches are typically used for libun kal which is also questionable as to whether it can be done on Pesach. The Pri Megadim says not but I can see R' Belsky not following that psak when necessary due to some kashyos on it.
When I was a bochur, a friend offered me to come along (for pay) to help kasher a hotel in the Catskils for Pesach (under the OK).

At some point we took the pans that would go into the oven, and started to do libun (גמור). Needless to say, anything we tried doing this on was rendered useless! Some time into the job a upper level mashgiach came (IINM it might have been R' Dovid Steigman A"H) and said that as a matter of policy, no ליבון גמור should be done, as it is either not done properly, or it destroys equipment. ליבון קל is used in lieu of הגעלה, where that is appropriate.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #371 on: April 20, 2017, 04:20:32 PM »
I know, right? Everywhere you go Chabad is just destroying local business.
+1 that's why so many locations world wide only have Chabad, they've destroyed all other businesses
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #372 on: April 20, 2017, 04:20:41 PM »
I know, right? Everywhere you go Chabad is just destroying local business.
I don't recall saying that. Obviously if I did post that and forgot about it I would appreciate if you posted a link.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #373 on: April 20, 2017, 04:21:40 PM »
What assumptions are you making?
2 main ones. That all you post is true, and that you didn't ask a Rav if it's ok to open said site.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #374 on: April 20, 2017, 04:25:27 PM »
2 main ones. That all you post is true, and that you didn't ask a Rav if it's ok to open said site.
And I am assuming you never visited that url, nor did carefully read my posts upthread.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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