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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #450 on: April 20, 2017, 10:56:39 PM »

Hey! So very offensive.

To even entertain the thought that the Chaikel ban had any positive values or results... (it was actually more like a total meltdown of proper moderation procedures etc etc etc etc. Been discussed of course.
 {what's happening to me? I actually have zero interest in fighting about this }

And then to lump me in together with the most militant of all lubavitures is just scandalous.
A. You're less militant in general since then. I think we've actually seen of you than Chaikel since then anyway ;)
B. You were just as militant and circular back in the day, just at the other end of the spectrum :)
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #451 on: April 20, 2017, 11:01:02 PM »

My in laws don't eat avocados - not just on matza, they don't eat avocados at all. At my home, we smear avocado on matza. My father doesn't have sugar, even boiled. My father in law does.
This reminds me of a story that happened one time with our neighbor's (adult) daughter was shocked to find out that in our house we don't use sugar and we use schmaltz on Pesach despite the fact that we're not gezhe. My wife says that she looked like she was ready to say "how dare they".
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #452 on: April 20, 2017, 11:02:28 PM »
I visited a yeshivish type hotel this pesach. The main on site mashgiach was seriously mentally ill. - not diagnosing him nebach, but it makes me wonder about the kashrus.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #453 on: April 20, 2017, 11:04:30 PM »

chalav akum or "national" kosher products in BP, where?
Bingo.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #454 on: April 20, 2017, 11:04:51 PM »
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
why did he walk out? Because he saw You eating??

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #455 on: April 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #456 on: April 20, 2017, 11:10:25 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.
Not sure it's possible to go ot on this thread
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #457 on: April 20, 2017, 11:10:51 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.

Communal meal? Where is that a thing?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #458 on: April 20, 2017, 11:11:07 PM »
Not sure it's possible to go ot in JS
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #459 on: April 20, 2017, 11:15:58 PM »
Communal meal? Where is that a thing?
I mean a dining room with multiple families in it.. I can't imagine much intimate family time with so much going on...

 but btw, the modox hotels have communal seders led by the rabbi fwiu cmiiw

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #460 on: April 20, 2017, 11:17:26 PM »
I mean a dining room with multiple families in it.. I can't imagine much intimate family time with so much going on...

 but btw, the modox hotels have communal seders led by the rabbi fwiu cmiiw
We had a meaningful 3 hour long seder in the dining room with our kids. Not sure what the issue is.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #461 on: April 20, 2017, 11:19:33 PM »
I was there.

The program was complete chaos and disorganization. I was there last year as well and while the food was awful, there was plenty of it and we had a nice time since the property is gorgeous and we enjoyed the crowd. This year was just ridiculous. Not enough food, no tea room, nobody to talk to about the multiple issues.

Regarding the article above, the story was that the hotel gave the program a bill of about $250k at the end of the program for services they claimed they provided (on top of what the program had already paid them) which the program claimed was inaccurate. The program owner slipped out of the hotel at 4AM after chag.

We checked out early since our flight was early afternoon and all was fine. About 1pm the hotel realized that the owner of the program had skipped town and so they started detaining guests and refusing to allow them to leave the property without paying extravagant amounts, from $5k-$35k per family...

The property is about a mile or more off the main road. There is a long road (about 5-10 minutes) once you get off the highway to the property. There are 3 security checkpoints along that road and they do not let you off the property without a pass from the hotel showing you are paid up in full.

As far as I know everyone left, paid with their Amex cards and are planning to dispute these charges.
Youre being quoted by the forward

http://forward.com/food/369613/how-passover-paradise-turned-into-a-holy-nightmare/

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #462 on: April 20, 2017, 11:23:23 PM »
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
at least he recognized you (see shlichus thread)

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #464 on: April 20, 2017, 11:26:17 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.

Although I'm sure this may be true for some, in my limited experience / exposure this is not at all true. In fact, many report spending more and better time with their kids because they're relaxed and not harried or busy. Many hotels will give you a private room for the seder for a couple extra bucks.