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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #500 on: April 21, 2017, 10:41:56 AM »
I have been offered money in the past, I haven't asked how much or taken it.

I'll give you 5 bucks to ask next time

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #501 on: April 21, 2017, 10:44:42 AM »
One thing you will notice is that the best Pesach programs (KMR etc) don't have to hire PR firms etc and fill up quick on word of mouth etc, sometimes weeks before they even announce which hotel they are going to..

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #502 on: April 21, 2017, 10:50:14 AM »
His business model is getting restaurants to pay him to make sure people don't say bad things about them.

Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara. So every kosher restaurant is a 10 there...

And yes, Luxus does pay him off and they have sent us emails to take down negative reviews about them on DDF. But that's the benefit of not being beholden, go ahead and send your fancy NY lawyuhs if you want.

FWIW, this is the issue with a site that would review programs. The only way to pay for that would be to get programs to advertise, and once that happens you lose credibility. Plus then you'll start getting the takedown notices, etc.

I've never seen him give a bad review on a restaurant. The only exception was a pizza shop in Cedarhurst and there he was brutal and relentless.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #503 on: April 21, 2017, 10:52:02 AM »
I've never seen him give a bad review on a restaurant. The only exception was a pizza shop in Cedarhurst and there he was brutal and relentless.
I guess they should have paid ;)

FWIW there was a restaurant chef (of a paying client) who made fun of how bad another restaurant was (that was not a paying client) and he let that post stand for a day until so many people started complaining about the double standard that he had to take it down.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #504 on: April 21, 2017, 10:52:14 AM »
I've never seen him give a bad review on a restaurant. The only exception was a pizza shop in Cedarhurst and there he was brutal and relentless.
Exactly. He gives a great review, then tries to get you to pay to get into his ads
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #505 on: April 21, 2017, 11:26:40 AM »
His business model is getting restaurants to pay him to make sure people don't say bad things about them.

Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara. So every kosher restaurant is a 10 there...

And yes, Luxus does pay him off and they have sent us emails to take down negative reviews about them on DDF. But that's the benefit of not being beholden, go ahead and send your fancy NY lawyuhs if you want.

FWIW, this is the issue with a site that would review programs. The only way to pay for that would be to get programs to advertise, and once that happens you lose credibility. Plus then you'll start getting the takedown notices, etc.

case in point. last year at his paradise in Puerto Rico, the guest got food poisoning. Any review that got posted about it was removed and blocked.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #506 on: April 21, 2017, 11:54:40 AM »
"Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara."

Are you saying that that's not legit? Does that beat your approach to lashon hara on your forums? (Though I can't exactly figure out what that approach is...)

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #507 on: April 21, 2017, 11:57:14 AM »
"Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara."

Are you saying that that's not legit? Does that beat your approach to lashon hara on your forums? (Though I can't exactly figure out what that approach is...)
So is your approach, "don't tell anyone how you got shtupped by a pesach program and let them get shtupped themselves?" Sounds great, I'll stick with my LH
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #508 on: April 21, 2017, 12:00:08 PM »
"Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara."

Are you saying that that's not legit? Does that beat your approach to lashon hara on your forums? (Though I can't exactly figure out what that approach is...)
It means he is ignoring lo saamod al dam reyecho
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #509 on: April 21, 2017, 12:00:43 PM »
"Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara."

Are you saying that that's not legit? Does that beat your approach to lashon hara on your forums? (Though I can't exactly figure out what that approach is...)
great second post I guess it took you 5 years to word it correctly

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #510 on: April 21, 2017, 12:13:33 PM »
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #511 on: April 21, 2017, 12:14:44 PM »
"Hence no negative reviews on his page, though he frames that as no lashon hara."

Are you saying that that's not legit? Does that beat your approach to lashon hara on your forums? (Though I can't exactly figure out what that approach is...)

On the FB group its more like "Loshon Horah not permitted unless it benefits the site owner"

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #512 on: April 21, 2017, 12:23:43 PM »
Didn't realize JTZ left again till I realized he was missing this conversation.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #513 on: April 21, 2017, 12:29:14 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #514 on: April 21, 2017, 03:14:49 PM »
Just going to put this out there:

I am now married with kids but back in the days when i was single i used to work as a mashgiach in hotels. I worked in one program which was not very fancy for a few years and that program was superb with no issues. Later i worked in a program which was definitely on the fancier side. This program didn't care at all about kashrus, all they cared about was how happy were the guests. Non-Jewish workers would bring pizza and donuts into the kitchen (yes you read right) and no one cared at all. When i mentioned it to the head mashgiach he was too scared of the caterer and the kitchen staff and it all continued. Kashrus was not at all a priority.

I emailed the owners of the program at the time, but i'm sure nothing was done about it and the program probably still runs the same way. So if you are in a hotel program be aware there is a good chance you had a good time while eating pure chometz.


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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #515 on: April 21, 2017, 03:20:36 PM »
Just going to put this out there:

I am now married with kids but back in the days when i was single i used to work as a mashgiach in hotels. I worked in one program which was not very fancy for a few years and that program was superb with no issues. Later i worked in a program which was definitely on the fancier side. This program didn't care at all about kashrus, all they cared about was how happy were the guests. Non-Jewish workers would bring pizza and donuts into the kitchen (yes you read right) and no one cared at all. When i mentioned it to the head mashgiach he was too scared of the caterer and the kitchen staff and it all continued. Kashrus was not all a priority.

I emailed the owners of the program at the time, but i'm sure nothing was done about it and the program probably still runs the same way. So if you are in a hotel program be aware there is a good chance you had a good time while eating pure chometz.


Real pizza,  or gebrokts?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #516 on: April 21, 2017, 03:26:29 PM »

Real pizza,  or gebrokts?
Not clear from the post but I think the main problem was that it was not CY.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #517 on: April 21, 2017, 03:29:02 PM »

Real pizza,  or gebrokts?

Yes real pizza and real donuts. B"H no gebrokts that would be horrible  ;D

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #518 on: April 21, 2017, 03:29:33 PM »
Not clear from the post but I think the main problem was that it was not CY.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #519 on: April 21, 2017, 03:36:50 PM »
At the end of the day if you want 100% guaranteed kosher you grow your own food and shect your own meat etc.     
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