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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #615 on: April 23, 2019, 01:54:11 PM »
Does anyone know what happened?
From what I am hearing they had this program last year and didnt pay the complex all that they owe them for the villas and the meeting spaces.

They made the program this year "claiming" it was new management. The owners saw it was the same people and are starting to kick everyone out. They were already kicked out of the public spaces and I saw a report that they are starting to throw them out of villas today

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #616 on: April 23, 2019, 09:16:12 PM »
Apparently the communal shul and kitchen was shut down. I'm hearing mixed reports about people in the villas but last I heard anyone who wants to stay and deal with their own food can do so.

What I don't understand is how the program even got this far without payment most places require 100% payment in full before the guests come.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #617 on: April 23, 2019, 09:23:59 PM »
If the management can't be trusted to even fulfill their basic obligations of paying for their occupancy then how can they be trusted in terms of Kashrus?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #618 on: April 23, 2019, 10:05:28 PM »
If the management can't be trusted to even fulfill their basic obligations of paying for their occupancy then how can they be trusted in terms of Kashrus?
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #619 on: April 23, 2019, 10:07:31 PM »
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.
Mamagement determined to cheat can deceive a kasharus organization. Faking invoices, forging seals etc.

I'm not saying this program is doing that, I'm saying it's not impossible to get around a kasharus organization.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #620 on: April 23, 2019, 10:12:32 PM »
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.
The "Kashrus Organization", assuming such exists, rather than an individual providing the supervision, needs to be able to trust the owners prior to even considering certifying or supervising Kashrus.

I heard of someone who wanted to get a certain Kashrus Organization certification for ab establishment (year round, not Pesach). Since the proprietor was a שנה ופרש, to the extent that he even had semicha, the Kashrus Organization refused to consider it unless he had a bone fide partner they would be willing to trust.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #621 on: April 23, 2019, 10:20:48 PM »
The "Kashrus Organization", assuming such exists, rather than an individual providing the supervision, needs to be able to trust the owners prior to even considering certifying or supervising Kashrus.

I heard of someone who wanted to get a certain Kashrus Organization certification for ab establishment (year round, not Pesach). Since the proprietor was a שנה ופרש, to the extent that he even had semicha, the Kashrus Organization refused to consider it unless he had a bone fide partner they would be willing to trust.
Quite a few kashrus orgs won't give a hechsher to non shomer shabbos food establishments period. (Piresh or not). Other kashrus orgs do

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #622 on: April 23, 2019, 10:38:45 PM »
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.
There is no way a Kashrus organization can reliably certify someone if said person is a crook and a thief.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #623 on: April 24, 2019, 11:33:28 AM »
A business can also pass a $100 bill to the Mashgiach to look the other way, especially if the Mashgiach could rationalize something as only a Chumra. Not every Mashgiach is the most scrupulous person in the world, especially since there's probably so much demand on the agencies to staff all of these programs 18 hours a day for almost 2 weeks.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #625 on: April 24, 2019, 01:33:31 PM »
A business can also pass a $100 bill to the Mashgiach to look the other way, especially if the Mashgiach could rationalize something as only a Chumra. Not every Mashgiach is the most scrupulous person in the world, especially since there's probably so much demand on the agencies to staff all of these programs 18 24 hours a day for almost 2 weeks.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #626 on: April 24, 2019, 01:35:06 PM »
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Yeah, I guess. I wouldn't blame an agency for not wanting to go near these programs, a

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #628 on: April 24, 2019, 02:03:42 PM »
Anyone on DDF at this program?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #629 on: April 24, 2019, 02:19:26 PM »
Yeah, I guess. I wouldn't blame an agency for not wanting to go near these programs, a

There should probably be a certain mashgichim per guests ratio that is needed in order to provide proper supervision.
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