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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2017, 08:26:34 PM »
From a professional standpoint, they should absorb costs, even if it results in a loss, in order to maintain reputation.

The one exception to that is if whoever gives the Hashgocho feels that he can't work with, or trust the resort management, which would be a reason to walk away from the resort, but if organizers care about their own reputation, they should do everything at any cost to make sure whoever booked with them gets an alternative arrangement, as close as possible to what they booked.
I agree with your statement, but I understood this to be an insight to the many other problems they were having.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2017, 08:31:15 PM »
I agree with your statement, but I understood this to be an insight to the many other problems they were having.
No "but" is in order here. If they made a professional mistake and hooked up with people that don't know how to deal in a businesslike way, in most cases they can deal with that for the right price. Kashrus is a different story altogether. If one cannot have minimal trust, it's a non-starter.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2017, 08:33:48 PM »
No "but" is in order here. If they made a professional mistake and hooked up with people that don't know how to deal in a businesslike way, in most cases they can deal with that for the right price. Kashrus is a different story altogether. If one cannot have minimal trust, it's a non-starter.
Sorry, my response was to Mr Smith and you, but I didn't quote him.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2017, 09:31:08 PM »
From a professional standpoint, they should absorb costs, even if it results in a loss, in order to maintain reputation.

The one exception to that is if whoever gives the Hashgocho feels that he can't work with, or trust the resort management, which would be a reason to walk away from the resort, but if organizers care about their own reputation, they should do everything at any cost to make sure whoever booked with them gets an alternative arrangement, as close as possible to what they booked.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2017, 10:21:58 PM »


From a professional standpoint, they should absorb costs, even if it results in a loss, in order to maintain reputation.

The one exception to that is if whoever gives the Hashgocho feels that he can't work with, or trust the resort management, which would be a reason to walk away from the resort, but if organizers care about their own reputation, they should do everything at any cost to make sure whoever booked with them gets an alternative arrangement, as close as possible to what they booked.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2017, 02:45:51 AM »
That too. There is an extreme lack of professionalism. When you have to cancel, don't try to save face with excuses, just say that due to conflicts the program will be cancelled. Or don't give any insight.
Absolutely not. If you just laid down 20k for pesach only to have it cancelled a week before with a short nondescriptive email you would be livid. Of course you would want some sort of explanation.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2017, 04:42:57 AM »
Absolutely not. If you just laid down 20k for pesach only to have it cancelled a week before with a short nondescriptive email you would be livid. Of course you would want some sort of explanation.

Agreed.  It doesn't excuse the typical Israeli arrogance of not getting an English speaker to write the English.  In this case, an English speaking PR agency.  The fact that they neglected to do that is indicative of gross incompetence, also a typical Israeli trait.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2017, 04:51:35 AM »


  The fact that they neglected to do that is indicative of gross incompetence, also a typical Israeli trait.
I think you are using the wrong word, Israelis are far from incompetent.
Your being very harsh for something that isn't true, almost like you're the arrogant one.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2017, 07:16:54 AM »
If you just laid down 20k for pesach...
Is that the going price for something like this? I assume this is for a family, how many?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2017, 07:27:37 AM »
Is that the going price for something like this? I assume this is for a family, how many?
There is no going price, you can go to a $1500 PP program or a $8000 PP program. You can have zero kids or 16.
These programs are evil IMO.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2017, 07:31:34 AM »
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 07:53:34 AM »
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Evil? It has more to do with lazy people who can't manage to make Yom Tov like their parents or grandparents did for generations. There are always people who actually can't make though.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 08:17:25 AM »
Is that the going price for something like this? I assume this is for a family, how many?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2017, 08:31:27 AM »
Evil? It has more to do with lazy people who can't manage to make Yom Tov like their parents or grandparents did for generations. There are always people who actually can't make though.
that depends on the program. There are some which offer programs ranging from a basic to a very nice Yom tov with activities for those people. These exotic programs are much more than that.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2017, 08:34:16 AM »
These programs are evil IMO.
Not necessarily evil but definitely not in the spirit of Pesach. We were always taught, pesach you stay home, sukkos you leave your house. These days its the opposite, pesach you leave home and built-in sukkos have brought that yom tov into the house.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2017, 08:40:22 AM »
Not necessarily evil but definitely not in the spirit of Pesach. We were always taught, pesach you stay home, sukkos you leave your house. These days its the opposite, pesach you leave home and built-in sukkos have brought that yom tov into the house.

not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2017, 08:41:44 AM »
not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2017, 08:51:06 AM »
not sure about this "pesach you stay home" training.
I think he's referring to the idea that the whole avodah of Pesach is to spend time with our children and give over the mesorah of yetziyas mitzrayim, emunah, and kol mimi d'meitav. Yes, it's harder nowadays that they come to the seder knowing "everything", but that is still the letter of the law and the flavor of the law, and we are enjoined to accomplish this to the best of our abilities. Obviously, the home atmosphere is much more conducive to this than any other venue.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2017, 08:58:40 AM »
I think he's referring to the idea that the whole avodah of Pesach is to spend time with our children and give over the mesorah of yetziyas mitzrayim, emunah, and kol mimi d'meitav. Yes, it's harder nowadays that they come to the seder knowing "everything", but that is still the letter of the law and the flavor of the law, and we are enjoined to accomplish this to the best of our abilities. Obviously, the home atmosphere is much more conducive to this than any other venue.

And I argue that in the times of the beis hamikdash they seemed to be able to do that even away from home. granted it was yerushalayim and there was the korban pesach but still to say that pesach is at home seems to be a bit strong. One could argue that pesach in a hotel is closer to pesach in yerushalayim of old where one got together a chaburah to eat the korban pesach away from their home.

IMO the pesach programs are bad chinuch for the focus of gashmiyus, but to complain about not being able to give over the mesorah as well at a hotel vs home seems a bit farfetched.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2017, 09:03:51 AM »
that depends on the program. There are some which offer programs ranging from a basic to a very nice Yom tov with activities for those people. These exotic programs are much more less than that.
FTFY
As in less focus on Yomtov, more focus on indulgence.
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