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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2017, 02:30:06 PM »
FTFY.  I probably would end up going if it were free, but that doesn't mean I support the idea. I'm young and looking to get things in while I can. Years down the line, with kids and grandchildren visiting, I highly doubt I'll want to pack up my life and leave for a week+

But what about the Ruchnios aspect?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2017, 02:31:25 PM »
But what about the Ruchnios aspect?
You've never done something in life where you questioned the ruchnios aspect of it, but we're pulled by the gashmios?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2017, 02:31:52 PM »
To those of you complaining about Pesach programs in general, would you go if it were free?

Also, the guy running the program actually lives in Belgium, so I'm not sure if he qualifies as Israeli.

My parents were offered the opportunity to go to a Pesach program for free (as a speaker) several times. They declined. It goes against both their minhagim of not "mishing" on Pesach as well as the Pesach atmosphere they aim for at home. I'm sure they are not unique.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2017, 02:32:03 PM »
They come across as jealous people with no real choice.

Or they've spoke to a Mashgiach at one of these programs...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2017, 02:33:33 PM »


My parents were offered the opportunity to go to a Pesach program for free (as a speaker) several times. They declined. It goes against both their minhagim of not "mishing" on Pesach as well as the Pesach atmosphere they aim for at home. I'm sure they are not unique.

They are not. My parents (not speakers) are exactly the same. They firmly believe that.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2017, 02:33:55 PM »
Or they've spoke to a Mashgiach at one of these programs...


Doesn't say much about the Rabbonim who do go, does it?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #86 on: April 04, 2017, 02:35:16 PM »

Doesn't say much about the Rabbonim who do go, does it?
I don't look at every flyer or ad for these, but it's usually speakers that go, not rabbonim
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #87 on: April 04, 2017, 02:35:29 PM »
Don't ask a question if you won't take the answer. Some people actually enjoy spending some simple time at home with their families.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #88 on: April 04, 2017, 02:37:53 PM »
I don't look at every flyer or ad for these, but it's usually speakers that go, not rabbonim

Take a second look. There are some big  respected names out there.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #89 on: April 04, 2017, 02:39:04 PM »
Having done:
-Pesach at home
-Pesach at an Airbnb with food brought from home
-Pesach at a program
-Pesach at the in-laws.

I can say with confidence that there are pluses and minuses to each approach (except the latter ;)...jk) and what works for one family may not work for another. I don't think it's fair to judge either way, but it is worth switching off to give your kids a taste of different experiences, especially if you normally go away every year.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #90 on: April 04, 2017, 02:44:02 PM »
Take a second look. There are some big  respected names out there.
Like I said I don't look at every ad. Regardless that really means nothing to me, if they aren't my rav. In addition, this whole concept can be halachicly OK, but that doesn't mean it's preferred by all. I don't like the concept from a ruchniosdik standpoint. A rav needs to make a parnassa too, and yes I agree that him being there does say something, but that doesn't mean this is where he wanted to spend his Yom tov.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #91 on: April 04, 2017, 02:45:20 PM »
Having done:
-Pesach at home
-Pesach at an Airbnb with food brought from home
-Pesach at a program
-Pesach at the in-laws.


What to wish someone who is making:
Pesach at home - חג כשר ושמח
Pesach at in-laws - חג כשר
Pesach at hotel - חג שמח
Pesach at hotel with in-laws- חג...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #92 on: April 04, 2017, 02:46:12 PM »


Having done:
-Pesach at home
-Pesach at an Airbnb with food brought from home
-Pesach at a program
-Pesach at the in-laws.

I can say with confidence that there are pluses and minuses to each approach (except the latter ;)...jk) and what works for one family may not work for another. I don't think it's fair to judge either way, but it is worth switching off to give your kids a taste of different experiences, especially if you normally go away every year.

Agreed. I believe this debate is more from a hashkafic point of view, in which case it's really to each their own.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #93 on: April 04, 2017, 03:05:42 PM »
I think the problems here are

1. People who are quick to judge things just because they are different, or new

2. People not explaining themselves well and just saying "its bad" when they may mean other things.


I myself also think that there is something distasteful IN GENERAL to this whole idea of what Pesach hotels have become. But I think it's  a problem in America in general with the chase for luxury in extreme.  And when you combine that with the idea of YomTov it can sometimes leave you with a bad taste.

I don't have an issue with people doing things different.   Yes, there is something to be said for tradition but as the world evolves we'll always have things changing in different ways to the way things were done.

There are plenty of Pesach programs that are more "heimeish" if you will. And there are plenty of people going to Pesach hotels that are anything but heimish and are still there in the right spirit and I'm sure having a seder just as meaningful as some guy sitting at home.



And as a side note there  are plenty of people who can't make Pesach for various reasons and plenty of people who ONLY KEEP pesach because there are Pesach programs etc.   


I think the issue I have is more with our GENERAL focus of things that shouldn't be our main focus and this 'chase' for bigger, better, nicer that plagues our society at large.  This is just one example of where we see it.   So you have people looking at all the ads feeling like this is all wrong.

And then there folks who just think anything done different than what's always been done is "wrong"  -
 


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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #94 on: April 04, 2017, 03:10:20 PM »

And then there folks who just think anything done different than what's always been done is "wrong"  -

What will they do when Mashiach comes  ;)

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2017, 03:11:29 PM »


To those of you complaining about Pesach programs in general, would you go if it were free?



Of course, deep down I'm still a Jew, and free is free.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2017, 03:13:01 PM »

Of course, deep down I'm still a Jew, and free is free.

Lol  -  Kol Hakavod for your honesty.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2017, 03:14:14 PM »

Of course, deep down I'm still a Jew, and free is free.
Hate to say it, but that's been my take on it as well :)
But even at free I won't do it every year.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2017, 03:19:08 PM »
To those of you complaining about Pesach programs in general, would you go if it were free?

Not complaining, just feel it's incompatible.

Not only would I not go if it were free, I can't think of any price I would be willing to get paid in order to go to something like this (talking about the luxury programs), or even to a more "modest" program, unless I could have my own cooking facilities and my own food.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2017, 03:19:22 PM »

Of course, deep down I'm still a Jew, and free is free.

Made me smile.