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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #420 on: April 20, 2017, 07:58:24 PM »
If you were makpid not to eat anything not made at home wouldn't you serve Schick's & Oberlander's to people who do eat them ?
Do the Werner family eat from the kitchen at the Shavuos program?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #421 on: April 20, 2017, 08:03:02 PM »
I definitely understand the idea of being more 'machmir' so not eating the food they serve and there isn't anything wrong with it technically.  But at the end of the day there is something that doesn't feel right about the whole thing. Something that feels off about it. The whole spirit of it. Inviting people to eat food that you somewhere don't think is good enough. I can't quite put it into words but it seems wrong and not in the right kavana of the whole Yom Tov. 
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #422 on: April 20, 2017, 08:03:10 PM »
Do the Werner family eat from the kitchen at the Shavuos program?
they do in Banff...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #423 on: April 20, 2017, 08:03:50 PM »
I definitely understand the idea of being more 'machmir' so not eating the food they serve and there isn't anything wrong with it technically.  But at the end of the day there is something that doesn't feel right about the whole thing. Something that feels off about it. The whole spirit of it. Inviting people to eat food that you somewhere don't think is good enough. I can't quite put it into words but it seems wrong and not in the right kavana of the whole Yom Tov.
it's called a buisness not hachnasas orchim

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #424 on: April 20, 2017, 08:05:34 PM »
it's called a buisness not hachnasas orchim
That's fine. I get it. Obviously it's a business. Don't let my word of inviting throw you.  It's like owning a restaurant  you won't eat it. Nothing wrong with it. But again just a personal  opinion that something is off about it.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #425 on: April 20, 2017, 08:05:48 PM »
Shall we split this off into a new Hilchos Hotels B'Pesach or Kashrus thread?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #426 on: April 20, 2017, 08:06:32 PM »
they do in Banff...
If pesach is the exception and they have Chassidishe chumros I'm ok with that. But I disagree with a general "it's a business" attitude. By that logic adelson is in a Yiddishe business

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #427 on: April 20, 2017, 08:06:57 PM »
That's fine. I get it. Obviously it's a business. Don't let my word of inciting throw you.  It's like owning a restaurant  you won't eat it. Nothing wrong with it. But again just a personal  opinion that something is off about it.
like every boro park store selling chalav akum or "national" kosher products???

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #428 on: April 20, 2017, 08:07:39 PM »
Shall we split this off into a new Hilchos Hotels B'Pesach or Kashrus thread?
This is about Greece, pay attention!

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #429 on: April 20, 2017, 08:09:21 PM »
My opinion at the moment though I haven't thought about it too long,  is that if you wouldn't have it at your house ok. But if you ate  out at a  neighbors and wouldn't eat it there then you probably shouldn't be selling it. Business may be business. But you're a yid in all you do.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #430 on: April 20, 2017, 08:23:01 PM »
My opinion at the moment though I haven't thought about it too long,  is that if you wouldn't have it at your house ok. But if you ate  out at a  neighbors and wouldn't eat it there then you probably shouldn't be selling it. Business may be business. But you're a yid in all you do.
But kashrus is so big & complicated & everyone has their own standards.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #431 on: April 20, 2017, 09:03:42 PM »
This thread is going to be worse then the Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem Kashrus thread soon.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #432 on: April 20, 2017, 09:14:16 PM »
If you were makpid not to eat anything not made at home wouldn't you serve Schick's & Oberlander's to people who do eat them ?
Personally I wouldn't have anything in my house that I wouldn't eat myself.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #433 on: April 20, 2017, 09:25:17 PM »
Personally I wouldn't have anything in my house that I wouldn't eat myself.
I wouldn't call this "his house". He's making an event somewhere & hiring a mashgiach & it's up to you to decide if you trust this mashgiach or not.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #434 on: April 20, 2017, 09:26:27 PM »
I wouldn't call this "his house". He's making an event somewhere & hiring a mashgiach & it's up to you to decide if you trust this mashgiach or not.
Not referring to a program :)
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #435 on: April 20, 2017, 09:29:32 PM »
I wouldn't call this "his house". He's making an event somewhere & hiring a mashgiach & it's up to you to decide if you trust this mashgiach or not.
They're called hosts. People go because they trust Werner. Same was true of Kamenetsky.
Same is true of many restaurants.
Let's put it this way. Suppose they would have a disclaimer on the ads that highest standard of kashrus, but we personally bring our own food. How would that go over?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #436 on: April 20, 2017, 09:33:31 PM »
Same is true of many restaurants.
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #437 on: April 20, 2017, 09:34:27 PM »
They're called hosts. People go because they trust Werner. Same was true of Kamenetsky.
Same is true of many restaurants.
Let's put it this way. Suppose they would have a disclaimer on the ads that highest standard of kashrus, but we personally bring our own food. How would that go over?
As long as they clearly put the hashgacha on the ad I couldn't care less if they bring their own food or not. If he wants to be makpid to bring his own homemade food with him that doesn't mean his wife now has to cook for the entire place. :)

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #438 on: April 20, 2017, 09:42:11 PM »
They're called hosts. People go because they trust Werner. Same was true of Kamenetsky.
Same is true of many restaurants.
Let's put it this way. Suppose they would have a disclaimer on the ads that highest standard of kashrus, but we personally bring our own food. How would that go over?
Answered above already. It's about the craziness of Pesach chumras which can hardly be expected of anyone else. Anyone who keeps that standard isn't eating at a friend's house, never mind a program. They do eat their resort food year round.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #439 on: April 20, 2017, 09:45:43 PM »
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
Sure. Exgingi just said that, some people eat based on the owner, not the hashgocha. Different thread I think.
My Rebbe would never eat in a restaurant owned by a non jew, and cares much more about the owner than the hashgocha. If the owner wouldn't eat there himself that would be disturbing.
As long as they clearly put the hashgacha on the ad I couldn't care less if they bring their own food or not. If he wants to be makpid to bring his own homemade food with him that doesn't mean his wife now has to cook for the entire place. :)
I think you may be the exception to the general populace.I think there would be an uproar. Again, chabad minhagim on pesach may be the exception.