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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #435 on: April 20, 2017, 09:29:32 PM »
I wouldn't call this "his house". He's making an event somewhere & hiring a mashgiach & it's up to you to decide if you trust this mashgiach or not.
They're called hosts. People go because they trust Werner. Same was true of Kamenetsky.
Same is true of many restaurants.
Let's put it this way. Suppose they would have a disclaimer on the ads that highest standard of kashrus, but we personally bring our own food. How would that go over?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #436 on: April 20, 2017, 09:33:31 PM »
Same is true of many restaurants.
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #437 on: April 20, 2017, 09:34:27 PM »
They're called hosts. People go because they trust Werner. Same was true of Kamenetsky.
Same is true of many restaurants.
Let's put it this way. Suppose they would have a disclaimer on the ads that highest standard of kashrus, but we personally bring our own food. How would that go over?
As long as they clearly put the hashgacha on the ad I couldn't care less if they bring their own food or not. If he wants to be makpid to bring his own homemade food with him that doesn't mean his wife now has to cook for the entire place. :)

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #438 on: April 20, 2017, 09:42:11 PM »
They're called hosts. People go because they trust Werner. Same was true of Kamenetsky.
Same is true of many restaurants.
Let's put it this way. Suppose they would have a disclaimer on the ads that highest standard of kashrus, but we personally bring our own food. How would that go over?
Answered above already. It's about the craziness of Pesach chumras which can hardly be expected of anyone else. Anyone who keeps that standard isn't eating at a friend's house, never mind a program. They do eat their resort food year round.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #439 on: April 20, 2017, 09:45:43 PM »
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
Sure. Exgingi just said that, some people eat based on the owner, not the hashgocha. Different thread I think.
My Rebbe would never eat in a restaurant owned by a non jew, and cares much more about the owner than the hashgocha. If the owner wouldn't eat there himself that would be disturbing.
As long as they clearly put the hashgacha on the ad I couldn't care less if they bring their own food or not. If he wants to be makpid to bring his own homemade food with him that doesn't mean his wife now has to cook for the entire place. :)
I think you may be the exception to the general populace.I think there would be an uproar. Again, chabad minhagim on pesach may be the exception.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #440 on: April 20, 2017, 09:46:32 PM »
like every boro park store selling chalav akum or "national" kosher products???

chalav akum or "national" kosher products in BP, where?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #441 on: April 20, 2017, 09:47:30 PM »
Can someone turn this thread into a family guy episode please?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #442 on: April 20, 2017, 09:49:21 PM »
My Rebbe would never eat in a restaurant owned by a non jew, and cares much more about the owner than the hashgocha. If the owner wouldn't eat there himself that would be disturbing.
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #443 on: April 20, 2017, 09:51:38 PM »
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #444 on: April 20, 2017, 09:53:01 PM »
Answered above already. It's about the craziness of Pesach chumras which can hardly be expected of anyone else. Anyone who keeps that standard isn't eating at a friend's house, never mind a program. They do eat their resort food year round.
Already excepted pesach, at least twice.
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
Ouch. But I think the point stands, especially from a purely halachic perspective

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #445 on: April 20, 2017, 09:55:01 PM »
chuckle
Bottom line is if you eat out at all there's always some risk factor.
Which makes it hard to differentiate between those who would never go to a program because of kashrus, those who would never go because it's too expensive and say so, and those who would never go because it's too expensive, but they attribute it to kashrus.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #446 on: April 20, 2017, 10:27:40 PM »
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
When a kosher restaurant is owned by a non-Jew, you would be relying 100% on the kashrus supervision, which might be more stringent. When owned by a Jew, the supervision might be more lax. I don't think it's possible to set a rule, one has to use שיקול הדעת. I don't eat out much, but I definitely care about both the Hashgocho and the owner. Though I must admit that when it comes to Milchigs I've mostly relied on the Hashgocho.

That being said, and tying to the discussion slightly upthread regarding Cholov Yisroel, I know a couple in Lakewood where the husband eats non-CY while the wife eats only CY. Now, I don't think something like that would fly where Kashering is required between non-CY and CY. For the same reason, if I see an establishment, even with a very reputable Hashgocho, that might have one or two non-CY or non-PY on the menu, I wouldn't eat in such a place.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #447 on: April 20, 2017, 10:39:19 PM »
chalav akum or "national" kosher products in BP, where?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #448 on: April 20, 2017, 10:39:59 PM »
Bottom line is if you eat out at all there's always some risk factor.
Which makes it hard to differentiate between those who would never go to a program because of kashrus, those who would never go because it's too expensive and say so, and those who would never go because it's too expensive, but they attribute it to kashrus.
I would a dd a category for those that go, but are very discriminant. there were many in LA who went to The Chevra because Rabbi Eidelitz was the Rav Hamachshir and literally didn't sleep or eat the whole Pesach, was constantly on watch. Many went to the Pruzansky Hotel because a) they trusted the Pruzansky's or Rabbi Frand's judgment, and I'm sure there are those that go to other programs for the same reason. But they wouldn't just go anywhere.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #449 on: April 20, 2017, 10:54:53 PM »


Haven't had such odd non-sequitur, hard to decipher the point of, holier-than-thou, circular logic responses since CBC in his feistier era before Chaikel suspended him.
I honestly don't know why I bother.

Hey! So very offensive.

To even entertain the thought that the Chaikel ban had any positive values or results... (it was actually more like a total meltdown of proper moderation procedures etc etc etc etc. Been discussed of course.
 {what's happening to me? I actually have zero interest in fighting about this }

And then to lump me in together with the most militant of all lubavitures is just scandalous.