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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #440 on: April 20, 2017, 09:46:32 PM »
like every boro park store selling chalav akum or "national" kosher products???

chalav akum or "national" kosher products in BP, where?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #441 on: April 20, 2017, 09:47:30 PM »
Can someone turn this thread into a family guy episode please?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #442 on: April 20, 2017, 09:49:21 PM »
My Rebbe would never eat in a restaurant owned by a non jew, and cares much more about the owner than the hashgocha. If the owner wouldn't eat there himself that would be disturbing.
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #443 on: April 20, 2017, 09:51:38 PM »
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
chuckle

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #444 on: April 20, 2017, 09:53:01 PM »
Answered above already. It's about the craziness of Pesach chumras which can hardly be expected of anyone else. Anyone who keeps that standard isn't eating at a friend's house, never mind a program. They do eat their resort food year round.
Already excepted pesach, at least twice.
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
Ouch. But I think the point stands, especially from a purely halachic perspective

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #445 on: April 20, 2017, 09:55:01 PM »
chuckle
Bottom line is if you eat out at all there's always some risk factor.
Which makes it hard to differentiate between those who would never go to a program because of kashrus, those who would never go because it's too expensive and say so, and those who would never go because it's too expensive, but they attribute it to kashrus.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #446 on: April 20, 2017, 10:27:40 PM »
Many people in CLE didn't eat at Peking because it was owned by a non-Jew.

Then it was sold to a frum Jew from a respected CLE family and everyone started eating there. 2 years later he was busted for serving treif.
When a kosher restaurant is owned by a non-Jew, you would be relying 100% on the kashrus supervision, which might be more stringent. When owned by a Jew, the supervision might be more lax. I don't think it's possible to set a rule, one has to use שיקול הדעת. I don't eat out much, but I definitely care about both the Hashgocho and the owner. Though I must admit that when it comes to Milchigs I've mostly relied on the Hashgocho.

That being said, and tying to the discussion slightly upthread regarding Cholov Yisroel, I know a couple in Lakewood where the husband eats non-CY while the wife eats only CY. Now, I don't think something like that would fly where Kashering is required between non-CY and CY. For the same reason, if I see an establishment, even with a very reputable Hashgocho, that might have one or two non-CY or non-PY on the menu, I wouldn't eat in such a place.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #447 on: April 20, 2017, 10:39:19 PM »
chalav akum or "national" kosher products in BP, where?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #448 on: April 20, 2017, 10:39:59 PM »
Bottom line is if you eat out at all there's always some risk factor.
Which makes it hard to differentiate between those who would never go to a program because of kashrus, those who would never go because it's too expensive and say so, and those who would never go because it's too expensive, but they attribute it to kashrus.
I would a dd a category for those that go, but are very discriminant. there were many in LA who went to The Chevra because Rabbi Eidelitz was the Rav Hamachshir and literally didn't sleep or eat the whole Pesach, was constantly on watch. Many went to the Pruzansky Hotel because a) they trusted the Pruzansky's or Rabbi Frand's judgment, and I'm sure there are those that go to other programs for the same reason. But they wouldn't just go anywhere.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #449 on: April 20, 2017, 10:54:53 PM »


Haven't had such odd non-sequitur, hard to decipher the point of, holier-than-thou, circular logic responses since CBC in his feistier era before Chaikel suspended him.
I honestly don't know why I bother.

Hey! So very offensive.

To even entertain the thought that the Chaikel ban had any positive values or results... (it was actually more like a total meltdown of proper moderation procedures etc etc etc etc. Been discussed of course.
 {what's happening to me? I actually have zero interest in fighting about this }

And then to lump me in together with the most militant of all lubavitures is just scandalous.




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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #450 on: April 20, 2017, 10:56:39 PM »

Hey! So very offensive.

To even entertain the thought that the Chaikel ban had any positive values or results... (it was actually more like a total meltdown of proper moderation procedures etc etc etc etc. Been discussed of course.
 {what's happening to me? I actually have zero interest in fighting about this }

And then to lump me in together with the most militant of all lubavitures is just scandalous.
A. You're less militant in general since then. I think we've actually seen of you than Chaikel since then anyway ;)
B. You were just as militant and circular back in the day, just at the other end of the spectrum :)
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #451 on: April 20, 2017, 11:01:02 PM »

My in laws don't eat avocados - not just on matza, they don't eat avocados at all. At my home, we smear avocado on matza. My father doesn't have sugar, even boiled. My father in law does.
This reminds me of a story that happened one time with our neighbor's (adult) daughter was shocked to find out that in our house we don't use sugar and we use schmaltz on Pesach despite the fact that we're not gezhe. My wife says that she looked like she was ready to say "how dare they".
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #452 on: April 20, 2017, 11:02:28 PM »
I visited a yeshivish type hotel this pesach. The main on site mashgiach was seriously mentally ill. - not diagnosing him nebach, but it makes me wonder about the kashrus.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #453 on: April 20, 2017, 11:04:30 PM »

chalav akum or "national" kosher products in BP, where?
Bingo.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #454 on: April 20, 2017, 11:04:51 PM »
Is it?
Talking about restaurants, I was once with my family in La Gondola when the Rosh walked in with his wife (A"H). He saw me eating there and then walked right out much to his wife's protests...
why did he walk out? Because he saw You eating??

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #455 on: April 20, 2017, 11:06:48 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #456 on: April 20, 2017, 11:10:25 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.
Not sure it's possible to go ot on this thread
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #457 on: April 20, 2017, 11:10:51 PM »
Another thing I noticed about pesach programs, people don't spend quality time with their kids over yt like they would at home.

Kids run from one entertainment/daycamp/communal meal to the next. Even lounge time is spent shmoozing w other families.

Spending quality time with kids over yt is crucial IMHO.

Appologies for going drastically OT.

Communal meal? Where is that a thing?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #458 on: April 20, 2017, 11:11:07 PM »
Not sure it's possible to go ot in JS
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #459 on: April 20, 2017, 11:15:58 PM »
Communal meal? Where is that a thing?
I mean a dining room with multiple families in it.. I can't imagine much intimate family time with so much going on...

 but btw, the modox hotels have communal seders led by the rabbi fwiu cmiiw