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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #540 on: April 23, 2017, 02:05:16 PM »
the hashgacha shouldnt have allowed non-mevushal wine period
IINM that is standard with all hashgochos in catered events or restaurants. Only mevushal wine is allowed.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #541 on: April 23, 2017, 03:35:43 PM »
IINM that is standard with all hashgochos in catered events or restaurants. Only mevushal wine is allowed.
with the bigger hashgachos that is standard. With some of the smaller fly by night heimeshe hashgachos, as long as there is no Heinz ketchup anything goes. My all time favorite from a Rav hamachshir I was doing a hotel job for "vus ken zein shlecht mit Cognac?"

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #542 on: April 23, 2017, 07:25:13 PM »
with the bigger hashgachos that is standard. With some of the smaller fly by night heimeshe hashgachos, as long as there is no Heinz ketchup anything goes. My all time favorite from a Rav hamachshir I was doing a hotel job for "vus ken zein shlecht mit Cognac?"

I've heard it said that a "heimishe hashgocha" is one where the rov/mashgiach stays at home...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #543 on: April 23, 2017, 08:07:25 PM »
I've heard it said that a "heimishe hashgocha" is one where the rov/mashgiach stays at home...
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #544 on: April 23, 2017, 08:10:53 PM »
I've heard it said that a "heimishe hashgocha" is one where the rov/mashgiach stays at home...
Unfortunately true. A substitute mashgiach showed up to a  heimish soda factory one morning to find it in full swing. All the machines turned on and running... The goyim have the keys... Not a Yid in sight.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #545 on: April 23, 2017, 08:43:39 PM »
I go to a pesach program with my inlaws; the Rav Hamachshir was recalled a few years ago because he was too "machmir" and the caterer was unhappy. AFAIK, his replacement is also a very good rav hamachshir but maybe knows how to be a little more flexible with the caterer. From what I see, the kashrus is held to a very high standard.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #546 on: April 23, 2017, 09:07:36 PM »
I go to a pesach program with my inlaws; the Rav Hamachshir was recalled a few years ago because he was too "machmir" and the caterer was unhappy. AFAIK, his replacement is also a very good rav hamachshir but maybe knows how to be a little more flexible with the caterer. From what I see, the kashrus is held to a very high standard.

Or you want to convince yourself so when there are red lights flashing.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #547 on: April 23, 2017, 09:08:16 PM »
Did anyone get their money back from the Greece program (other than CC charge backs)?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #548 on: April 23, 2017, 09:52:05 PM »
I go to a pesach program with my inlaws;

What to wish someone who is making:
Pesach at home - חג כשר ושמח
Pesach at in-laws - חג כשר
Pesach at hotel - חג שמח
Pesach at hotel with in-laws- חג...

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #549 on: April 23, 2017, 10:55:07 PM »
Unfortunately true. A substitute mashgiach showed up to a  heimish soda factory one morning to find it in full swing. All the machines turned on and running... The goyim have the keys... Not a Yid in sight.
AFAIK there are no "heimeshe" soda plants. Just regular bottling facilities that do private labels. As far as beverages go, if it was an all Pareve facility and all ingredients were approved prior, maybe they had authorization to begin prior to mashgiachs arrival.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #550 on: April 23, 2017, 11:03:21 PM »


AFAIK there are no "heimeshe" soda plants. Just regular bottling facilities that do private labels. As far as beverages go, if it was an all Pareve facility and all ingredients were approved prior, maybe they had authorization to begin prior to mashgiachs arrival.

Certain heimeshe soda brands have a distinct flavor, so much so that they must be making it themselves. Anyways as far as a mashgiachs job goes, he's the one supposed to authorize anything.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #551 on: April 24, 2017, 06:20:06 AM »

Certain heimeshe soda brands have a distinct flavor, so much so that they must be making it themselves. Anyways as far as a mashgiachs job goes, he's the one supposed to authorize anything.
the distinct flavour is the same flavour that other brands that you've never seen or tasted have. There is another concept known as co-packing where you bring your recipe to a company and they produce it to your spec.
The Rav Hamachshir authorizes, a mashgiach supervises.
In your case you may be right, but many heimeshe products are not produced with hashgacha temidis

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #552 on: April 24, 2017, 10:34:34 AM »
Quote from: zh cohen on April 04, 2017, 02:45:20 PM

    What to wish someone who is making:
    Pesach at home - חג כשר ושמח
    Pesach at in-laws - חג כשר
    Pesach at hotel - חג שמח
    Pesach at hotel with in-laws- חג...
So true  ;D

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #553 on: April 24, 2017, 10:38:17 AM »



In your case you may be right, but many heimeshe products are not produced with hashgacha temidis

Maybe I didn't explain what happened fully. This mashkiach was supposed to open up the place for the goyim and turn on the machines. The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #554 on: April 24, 2017, 10:50:00 AM »
Maybe I didn't explain what happened fully. This mashkiach was supposed to open up the place for the goyim and turn on the machines. The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

Why does this surprise you so much? I'm yet to see a product like soda have a notation next to the hashgacha that there's a mashgiach tmidi.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #555 on: April 24, 2017, 11:00:09 AM »


Why does this surprise you so much? I'm yet to see a product like soda have a notation next to the hashgacha that there's a mashgiach tmidi.

My problem is


 The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #556 on: April 24, 2017, 11:10:39 AM »

My problem is
The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

And what might they have done, or introduced into the soda, that might have been problematic?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #557 on: April 24, 2017, 11:15:26 AM »


And what might they have done, or introduced into the soda, that might have been problematic?
Do you drink coffee from Starbucks  on Pesach? Many people would on a general day but not Pesach. So this soda is now like Starbucks coffee, doesn't have a (proper) hechsher but presumed kosher.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #558 on: April 24, 2017, 11:30:03 AM »
Do you drink coffee from Starbucks  on Pesach? Many people would on a general day but not Pesach. So this soda is now like Starbucks coffee, doesn't have a (proper) hechsher but presumed kosher.
I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #559 on: April 24, 2017, 12:03:14 PM »
I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.
Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..