Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!

[grodnoking]

Why does this surprise you so much? I'm yet to see a product like soda have a notation next to the hashgacha that there's a mashgiach tmidi.

My problem is

 The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

[ExGingi]

My problem is

The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

And what might they have done, or introduced into the soda, that might have been problematic?

[grodnoking]

And what might they have done, or introduced into the soda, that might have been problematic?

Do you drink coffee from Starbucks  on Pesach? Many people would on a general day but not Pesach. So this soda is now like Starbucks coffee, doesn't have a (proper) hechsher but presumed kosher.

[ExGingi]

Do you drink coffee from Starbucks  on Pesach? Many people would on a general day but not Pesach. So this soda is now like Starbucks coffee, doesn't have a (proper) hechsher but presumed kosher.

I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.

[lubaby]

I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.

Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..

[ExGingi]

Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..

Right. But this is DDF where we go OT.  After all, haven't heard of soda bottling in Pesach programs.

[grodnoking]

I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.

Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..

[CS1]

Maybe I didn't explain what happened fully. This mashkiach was supposed to open up the place for the goyim and turn on the machines. The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

was this for a Pesach run (tmidi needed) or for a regular Kosher run? i.e. Coca Cola and most national year-round cold and all-parve locations don't have mashgichei t'midim in an all-kosher facility, just regular checks, access and yotzei v'nichnas at any time of day or night.

[grodnoking]

was this for a Pesach run (tmidi needed) or for a regular Kosher run? i.e. Coca Cola and most national year-round cold and all-parve locations don't have mashgichei t'midim in an all-kosher facility, just regular checks, access and yotzei v'nichnas at any time of day or night.

Kosher L'Pesach run.

[CS1]

Kosher L'Pesach run.

yes. That is definitely an issue if it was a KFP run, especially in a non-certified-Kosher plant. Some Mashgichim are paid $500-$600+ per day specifically to be there at the start of the run and to visually supervise all components. (This is why many KFP product cost more than similar year-round products.)

[aygart]

was this for a Pesach run (tmidi needed) or for a regular Kosher run? i.e. Coca Cola and most national year-round cold and all-parve locations don't have mashgichei t'midim in an all-kosher facility, just regular checks, access and yotzei v'nichnas at any time of day or night.

Why does KFP need tmidi more that all year? Some products may need it for practical purposes but soda may not be one of them

[CS1]

Why does KFP need tmidi more that all year? Some products may need it for practical purposes but soda may not be one of them

there are many reasons why these circumstances are different from a Kashrus policy standpoint. One main Halachic reason for this is because all year, the items can be "batul b'shishim" and the products may still be kosher. For Pesach, even a mashehu is chometz.

[aygart]

there are many reasons why these circumstances are different from a Kashrus policy standpoint. One main Halachic reason for this is because all year, the items can be "batul b'shishim" and the products may still be kosher. For Pesach, even a mashehu is chometz.

Not if it happened before pesach

[CS1]

Not if it happened before pesach

if it's a worker eating a sandwich before Pesach during a pre-Pesach-run vs. a non-Pesach regular run, then it's definitely a lot more serious from a Kashrus standpoint. Therefore I believe that a Mashgiach temidi is needed from most KFP packing runs and not as many cold-Pareve packing runs.

[aygart]

if it's a worker eating a sandwich before Pesach during a pre-Pesach-run vs. a non-Pesach regular run, then it's definitely a lot more serious from a Kashrus standpoint. Therefore I believe that a Mashgiach temidi is needed from most KFP packing runs and not as many cold-Pareve packing runs.

it should not be worse than him eating non kosher meat.