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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #555 on: April 24, 2017, 11:00:09 AM »


Why does this surprise you so much? I'm yet to see a product like soda have a notation next to the hashgacha that there's a mashgiach tmidi.

My problem is


 The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #556 on: April 24, 2017, 11:10:39 AM »

My problem is
The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

And what might they have done, or introduced into the soda, that might have been problematic?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #557 on: April 24, 2017, 11:15:26 AM »


And what might they have done, or introduced into the soda, that might have been problematic?
Do you drink coffee from Starbucks  on Pesach? Many people would on a general day but not Pesach. So this soda is now like Starbucks coffee, doesn't have a (proper) hechsher but presumed kosher.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #558 on: April 24, 2017, 11:30:03 AM »
Do you drink coffee from Starbucks  on Pesach? Many people would on a general day but not Pesach. So this soda is now like Starbucks coffee, doesn't have a (proper) hechsher but presumed kosher.
I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #559 on: April 24, 2017, 12:03:14 PM »
I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.
Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #560 on: April 24, 2017, 12:17:42 PM »
Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..
Right. But this is DDF where we go OT.  :) After all, haven't heard of soda bottling in Pesach programs.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #561 on: April 24, 2017, 12:57:06 PM »
I don't recall seeing that you indicated that this was a KFP production.

Well, it is posted in the Pesach War Stories Master Thread..
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #562 on: April 24, 2017, 07:32:21 PM »

Maybe I didn't explain what happened fully. This mashkiach was supposed to open up the place for the goyim and turn on the machines. The goyim had the keys to the place to come in whenever they please and turned on the machines.

was this for a Pesach run (tmidi needed) or for a regular Kosher run? i.e. Coca Cola and most national year-round cold and all-parve locations don't have mashgichei t'midim in an all-kosher facility, just regular checks, access and yotzei v'nichnas at any time of day or night.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #563 on: April 24, 2017, 07:33:19 PM »
was this for a Pesach run (tmidi needed) or for a regular Kosher run? i.e. Coca Cola and most national year-round cold and all-parve locations don't have mashgichei t'midim in an all-kosher facility, just regular checks, access and yotzei v'nichnas at any time of day or night.
Kosher L'Pesach run.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #564 on: April 24, 2017, 07:37:51 PM »
Kosher L'Pesach run.

yes. That is definitely an issue if it was a KFP run, especially in a non-certified-Kosher plant. Some Mashgichim are paid $500-$600+ per day specifically to be there at the start of the run and to visually supervise all components. (This is why many KFP product cost more than similar year-round products.)
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #565 on: April 24, 2017, 07:38:59 PM »
was this for a Pesach run (tmidi needed) or for a regular Kosher run? i.e. Coca Cola and most national year-round cold and all-parve locations don't have mashgichei t'midim in an all-kosher facility, just regular checks, access and yotzei v'nichnas at any time of day or night.
Why does KFP need tmidi more that all year? Some products may need it for practical purposes but soda may not be one of them

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #566 on: April 24, 2017, 07:44:58 PM »
Why does KFP need tmidi more that all year? Some products may need it for practical purposes but soda may not be one of them

there are many reasons why these circumstances are different from a Kashrus policy standpoint. One main Halachic reason for this is because all year, the items can be "batul b'shishim" and the products may still be kosher. For Pesach, even a mashehu is chometz.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #567 on: April 24, 2017, 07:45:42 PM »
there are many reasons why these circumstances are different from a Kashrus policy standpoint. One main Halachic reason for this is because all year, the items can be "batul b'shishim" and the products may still be kosher. For Pesach, even a mashehu is chometz.
Not if it happened before pesach

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #568 on: April 24, 2017, 08:41:55 PM »
Not if it happened before pesach

if it's a worker eating a sandwich before Pesach during a pre-Pesach-run vs. a non-Pesach regular run, then it's definitely a lot more serious from a Kashrus standpoint. Therefore I believe that a Mashgiach temidi is needed from most KFP packing runs and not as many cold-Pareve packing runs.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #569 on: April 24, 2017, 08:55:22 PM »
if it's a worker eating a sandwich before Pesach during a pre-Pesach-run vs. a non-Pesach regular run, then it's definitely a lot more serious from a Kashrus standpoint. Therefore I believe that a Mashgiach temidi is needed from most KFP packing runs and not as many cold-Pareve packing runs.
it should not be worse than him eating non kosher meat.