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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #600 on: April 26, 2017, 10:39:42 AM »
This is how fun threads die.

Alone,  friendless,  and kvetching about crumbs in the soda
Yup topic got hijacked into a deep halachic discussion, which interests about no-one..  :o

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #601 on: April 26, 2017, 10:41:28 AM »
Yup topic got hijacked into a deep halachic discussion, which interests about no-one..  :o
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #602 on: April 26, 2017, 11:32:54 AM »
Yup topic got hijacked into a deep halachic discussion, which interests about no-one..  :o

Why haven't the admins moved it into the Halacha thread?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #603 on: April 26, 2017, 11:53:09 AM »
Why haven't the admins moved it into the Halacha thread?
To make the posts count?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #604 on: April 30, 2017, 01:17:28 AM »
I guess the goyishe world gets their fair share of similar horror stories.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-28/coachella-for-the-super-rich-ends-in-disaster
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #607 on: December 31, 2017, 04:19:10 PM »
I was there.

The program was complete chaos and disorganization. I was there last year as well and while the food was awful, there was plenty of it and we had a nice time since the property is gorgeous and we enjoyed the crowd. This year was just ridiculous. Not enough food, no tea room, nobody to talk to about the multiple issues.

Regarding the article above, the story was that the hotel gave the program a bill of about $250k at the end of the program for services they claimed they provided (on top of what the program had already paid them) which the program claimed was inaccurate. The program owner slipped out of the hotel at 4AM after chag.

We checked out early since our flight was early afternoon and all was fine. About 1pm the hotel realized that the owner of the program had skipped town and so they started detaining guests and refusing to allow them to leave the property without paying extravagant amounts, from $5k-$35k per family...

The property is about a mile or more off the main road. There is a long road (about 5-10 minutes) once you get off the highway to the property. There are 3 security checkpoints along that road and they do not let you off the property without a pass from the hotel showing you are paid up in full.

As far as I know everyone left, paid with their Amex cards and are planning to dispute these charges.
Was anyone at their other program, "Pardes Pesach" in San Diego?
In our case we just trusted. They were running 2 programs this year and did so last year as well. Most ppl are reputable. In this case they were unfortunately not. We went on KMR before and that was really top quality!
Anyone have any knowledge of the CA program for this group? Was it well run? Did they take responsibility?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #608 on: April 11, 2019, 04:18:59 PM »
Bump. Any stories this year?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #609 on: April 11, 2019, 10:49:58 PM »
Bump. Any stories this year?
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #610 on: April 23, 2019, 06:55:51 AM »

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #611 on: April 23, 2019, 07:51:12 AM »

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #613 on: April 23, 2019, 01:25:25 PM »

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #615 on: April 23, 2019, 01:54:11 PM »
Does anyone know what happened?
From what I am hearing they had this program last year and didnt pay the complex all that they owe them for the villas and the meeting spaces.

They made the program this year "claiming" it was new management. The owners saw it was the same people and are starting to kick everyone out. They were already kicked out of the public spaces and I saw a report that they are starting to throw them out of villas today

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #616 on: April 23, 2019, 09:16:12 PM »
Apparently the communal shul and kitchen was shut down. I'm hearing mixed reports about people in the villas but last I heard anyone who wants to stay and deal with their own food can do so.

What I don't understand is how the program even got this far without payment most places require 100% payment in full before the guests come.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #617 on: April 23, 2019, 09:23:59 PM »
If the management can't be trusted to even fulfill their basic obligations of paying for their occupancy then how can they be trusted in terms of Kashrus?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #618 on: April 23, 2019, 10:05:28 PM »
If the management can't be trusted to even fulfill their basic obligations of paying for their occupancy then how can they be trusted in terms of Kashrus?
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #619 on: April 23, 2019, 10:07:31 PM »
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.
Mamagement determined to cheat can deceive a kasharus organization. Faking invoices, forging seals etc.

I'm not saying this program is doing that, I'm saying it's not impossible to get around a kasharus organization.