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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #620 on: April 23, 2019, 10:12:32 PM »
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.
The "Kashrus Organization", assuming such exists, rather than an individual providing the supervision, needs to be able to trust the owners prior to even considering certifying or supervising Kashrus.

I heard of someone who wanted to get a certain Kashrus Organization certification for ab establishment (year round, not Pesach). Since the proprietor was a שנה ופרש, to the extent that he even had semicha, the Kashrus Organization refused to consider it unless he had a bone fide partner they would be willing to trust.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #621 on: April 23, 2019, 10:20:48 PM »
The "Kashrus Organization", assuming such exists, rather than an individual providing the supervision, needs to be able to trust the owners prior to even considering certifying or supervising Kashrus.

I heard of someone who wanted to get a certain Kashrus Organization certification for ab establishment (year round, not Pesach). Since the proprietor was a שנה ופרש, to the extent that he even had semicha, the Kashrus Organization refused to consider it unless he had a bone fide partner they would be willing to trust.
Quite a few kashrus orgs won't give a hechsher to non shomer shabbos food establishments period. (Piresh or not). Other kashrus orgs do

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #622 on: April 23, 2019, 10:38:45 PM »
That's because the management is not the one who is trusted with Kashrus - it's the Kashrus organization.
There is no way a Kashrus organization can reliably certify someone if said person is a crook and a thief.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #623 on: April 24, 2019, 11:33:28 AM »
A business can also pass a $100 bill to the Mashgiach to look the other way, especially if the Mashgiach could rationalize something as only a Chumra. Not every Mashgiach is the most scrupulous person in the world, especially since there's probably so much demand on the agencies to staff all of these programs 18 hours a day for almost 2 weeks.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #625 on: April 24, 2019, 01:33:31 PM »
A business can also pass a $100 bill to the Mashgiach to look the other way, especially if the Mashgiach could rationalize something as only a Chumra. Not every Mashgiach is the most scrupulous person in the world, especially since there's probably so much demand on the agencies to staff all of these programs 18 24 hours a day for almost 2 weeks.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #626 on: April 24, 2019, 01:35:06 PM »
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Yeah, I guess. I wouldn't blame an agency for not wanting to go near these programs, a

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #628 on: April 24, 2019, 02:03:42 PM »
Anyone on DDF at this program?

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #629 on: April 24, 2019, 02:19:26 PM »
Yeah, I guess. I wouldn't blame an agency for not wanting to go near these programs, a

There should probably be a certain mashgichim per guests ratio that is needed in order to provide proper supervision.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #630 on: April 24, 2019, 03:00:20 PM »

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #631 on: April 24, 2019, 03:19:49 PM »
What a ganev. Wonder how he escaped jail the first time 16 years ago.
Not every civil case is pursued in criminal court if payment is made.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #632 on: April 24, 2019, 09:28:10 PM »
For those I interested I am at This resort although not part of the Pesach program. Although it is true there are some very dishonest people there are also mostly wonderful Jews. The other Jews in the resort offered help immediately with food of every kind. The managers and staff from the program stayed on for free and had several meetings with the group and with other Pesach programs in the area who provided help and expertise. Some hidden even paid for the villas so that everyone could stay where they were. At the end of the day I witnessed how wonderful the Jewish nation is and how fast we are to help another Jew in need. Boruch Hashem the management and staff has figured out how to continue the program (with several adjustments) until the end of Yom Tov. Mi K’amcha Yisroel!!!

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #633 on: April 24, 2019, 09:29:08 PM »
For those I interested I am at This resort although not part of the Pesach program. Although it is true there are some very dishonest people there are also mostly wonderful Jews. The other Jews in the resort offered help immediately with food of every kind. The managers and staff from the program stayed on for free and had several meetings with the group and with other Pesach programs in the area who provided help and expertise. Some hidden even paid for the villas so that everyone could stay where they were. At the end of the day I witnessed how wonderful the Jewish nation is and how fast we are to help another Jew in need. Boruch Hashem the management and staff has figured out how to continue the program (with several adjustments) until the end of Yom Tov. Mi K’amcha Yisroel!!!
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #634 on: April 24, 2019, 10:11:06 PM »
For those I interested I am at This resort although not part of the Pesach program. Although it is true there are some very dishonest people there are also mostly wonderful Jews. The other Jews in the resort offered help immediately with food of every kind. The managers and staff from the program stayed on for free and had several meetings with the group and with other Pesach programs in the area who provided help and expertise. Some hidden even paid for the villas so that everyone could stay where they were. At the end of the day I witnessed how wonderful the Jewish nation is and how fast we are to help another Jew in need. Boruch Hashem the management and staff has figured out how to continue the program (with several adjustments) until the end of Yom Tov. Mi K’amcha Yisroel!!!

Which goes to show that the vast overwhelming majority of Jews will do the right thing, and go out of their way to help other Jews who are in a difficult situation.

Indeed, מי כעמך ישראל!
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #635 on: April 24, 2019, 10:16:10 PM »
Probably will never happen but it would stop a lot of crisis' if programs would split the hotel charge from the catering charges and have the guests pay the hotel directly for the room.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #636 on: April 24, 2019, 10:17:16 PM »
Probably will never happen but it would stop a lot of crisis' if programs would split the hotel charge from the catering charges and have the guests pay the hotel directly for the room.
Wouldn't happen because then programs won't be able to charge as much.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #637 on: April 24, 2019, 10:18:02 PM »
Wouldn't happen because then programs won't be able to charge as much.
Exactly. Crazy that new shutdowns seemingly happen every year.
I'm enjoying Pesach at home. A basement Pesach kitchen was a small investment compared to these programs.
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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #638 on: April 24, 2019, 10:22:39 PM »
Wouldn't happen because then programs won't be able to charge as much.

Not so sure, people are not oblivious to the fact that that the programs are making a mint, just look at the cost of the rooms a week after Pesach. People know they are paying for the program, not for a room. Again I don't think it will ever happen, but perhaps if someone wants to start a program they can use it to build trust.

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Re: Pesach Program in Greece Cancelled Just Now!
« Reply #639 on: April 24, 2019, 10:25:40 PM »
Not so sure, people are not oblivious to the fact that that the programs are making a mint, just look at the cost of the rooms a week after Pesach. People know they are paying for the program, not for a room. Again I don't think it will ever happen, but perhaps if someone wants to start a program they can use it to build trust.

If someone wants to be a crook, they can do it a 100 different ways