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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #210 on: October 07, 2019, 10:24:23 AM »
Any thoughts on best smart light switches / hub for a shomer Shabos home?

I think that most of the answers to this question are subjective. I have personally been using Z-Wave switches for about 15 years and Wink as my hub for about 5 years, with minimal issues. (i.e. I can only think of 1-2 times in the last decade or so where something happened that my lights didn't turn on/off a scheduled on Shabbos or Yom Tov). I chose Z-Wave initially in the early 2000s (moving there from X-10 switches, which always had issues) because it was one of the first Mesh-based wireless systems that allowed you to control all of your lights with one controller. As smartphones and app-based home automation became more mainstream I upgraded to Wink, because I didn't want to completely replace my switches.

That being said, I think if I had to do it again from scratch, I'd probably chose Zigbee switches (which are slightly cheaper) and then use an Amazon Echo Plus for the hub. Yes - I know you can't use Alexa on Shabbos, but the Alexa plus has a built-in Zigbee hub that can control your devices, and while the scheduling UI might be a little Wonky, you really only need to change it around Yomim Tovim. I'd also prefer having one less device to plug in around the house.


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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #211 on: October 07, 2019, 10:29:33 AM »
I think that most of the answers to this question are subjective. I have personally been using Z-Wave switches for about 15 years and Wink as my hub for about 5 years, with minimal issues. (i.e. I can only think of 1-2 times in the last decade or so where something happened that my lights didn't turn on/off a scheduled on Shabbos or Yom Tov). I chose Z-Wave initially in the early 2000s (moving there from X-10 switches, which always had issues) because it was one of the first Mesh-based wireless systems that allowed you to control all of your lights with one controller. As smartphones and app-based home automation became more mainstream I upgraded to Wink, because I didn't want to completely replace my switches.

That being said, I think if I had to do it again from scratch, I'd probably chose Zigbee switches (which are slightly cheaper) and then use an Amazon Echo Plus for the hub. Yes - I know you can't use Alexa on Shabbos, but the Alexa plus has a built-in Zigbee hub that can control your devices, and while the scheduling UI might be a little Wonky, you really only need to change it around Yomim Tovim. I'd also prefer having one less device to plug in around the house.
But using alexa would be so limiting, and zigbee and a smaller range than zwave. I also find that there are more zwave products than zigbee. I personally advocate for something like smartthings b/c of the flexibility on radios and customizations.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #212 on: October 07, 2019, 10:31:36 AM »
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.

As others have pointed out this is probably a figure that includes almost all of the Electrical infrastructure in the house as well as a lot of the original electronics.

I have a lot of automation in my house which is slightly less than 1/3 of the size of the house in the article, if I add everything up - switches, thermostats, locks, hubs cameras, etc. - The current cost of an identical system would be about $2-2.5k.


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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #213 on: October 07, 2019, 10:35:26 AM »
But using alexa would be so limiting, and zigbee and a smaller range than zwave. I also find that there are more zwave products than zigbee. I personally advocate for something like smartthings b/c of the flexibility on radios and customizations.

I guess it depends on the size of your house. I would agree that there are more z-wave compatible devices out there, but do you just want lighting (as OP originally requested) or the gantze gemainder - locks, garage doors, thermostats, etc.

I also think that you need to worry about fragmentation. If I have connected thermostats, am I going to use them with their proprietary app (a la Nest/Ecobee) or with my hub app (Wink/Smarttings).

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #214 on: October 07, 2019, 10:47:27 AM »
I guess it depends on the size of your house. I would agree that there are more z-wave compatible devices out there, but do you just want lighting (as OP originally requested) or the gantze gemainder - locks, garage doors, thermostats, etc.

I also think that you need to worry about fragmentation. If I have connected thermostats, am I going to use them with their proprietary app (a la Nest/Ecobee) or with my hub app (Wink/Smarttings).
Unfortunately in smart homes there is no such thing as just lighting lol. You start with one and then you expand from there. In terms of apps, I do use the ecobee app for scheduling but I set it once and forget it. I prefer having it connected to smartthings so I can use the room sensors to control my AC switches in the summer. When I look for a product I see if I can do everything within smartthings, if yes I buy it, even if I may end up using their app from time to time.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #215 on: October 07, 2019, 10:56:12 AM »
Any good smart switches for a split unit ac that is directly connected to the power supply (no plug).
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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #216 on: October 07, 2019, 11:49:10 AM »
Any good smart switches for a split unit ac that is directly connected to the power supply (no plug).
Possibly the sensibo mentioned above. Don't think anyone has actually installed it yet, but I have one in the box

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #217 on: October 07, 2019, 11:51:01 AM »
I guess it depends on the size of your house. I would agree that there are more z-wave compatible devices out there, but do you just want lighting (as OP originally requested) or the gantze gemainder - locks, garage doors, thermostats, etc.

I also think that you need to worry about fragmentation. If I have connected thermostats, am I going to use them with their proprietary app (a la Nest/Ecobee) or with my hub app (Wink/Smarttings).
Unfortunately in smart homes there is no such thing as just lighting lol. You start with one and then you expand from there. In terms of apps, I do use the ecobee app for scheduling but I set it once and forget it. I prefer having it connected to smartthings so I can use the room sensors to control my AC switches in the summer. When I look for a product I see if I can do everything within smartthings, if yes I buy it, even if I may end up using their app from time to time.
Thank you both. I do indeed already have ecobees, cameras, entry system and alarm

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #218 on: October 07, 2019, 06:42:47 PM »
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.

Everything mentioned can be done for a few hundred bucks.
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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #219 on: October 28, 2019, 10:43:59 PM »
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #220 on: October 29, 2019, 08:47:03 AM »
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?

- I don't think that there's a single lock that's both Electronic / Manual
- One of the biggest shabbos problems that you will find is that some of the locks that combine a keypad with a mechanical lock, are also generally logging manual open/close (whether with a key or the inside knob).

@TribeTechReview wrote a two-part article with some ideas and options - one of his suggestions that I liked - if your home has more than one door, put a mechanical lock on one and an electronic lock on the other.

https://tribetechreview.com/2017/10/26/are-smart-locks-shabbat-compatible/

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #221 on: October 29, 2019, 10:04:25 AM »
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
One thing I think I saw someone on this forum try to put together is a manual lock with a smart door reinforcer.
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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #222 on: November 02, 2019, 08:42:28 PM »
I'm thinking two locks...

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #223 on: November 03, 2019, 10:03:14 AM »
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
I have no experience whatsoever; but: I would  look into the August smart Lock (pro?) Paired with a combination lock. And I would disable the hub on Shabbat automatically so that it is not able to log entry.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #224 on: November 03, 2019, 01:05:19 PM »
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
One option I've seen people have is an electronic lock on the door itself and the door jamb has a combination lock (similar to an electric buzzer)
But I haven't found anything online like that so you may need to speak to a locksmith. It also doesn't work if you want a key specifically