Author Topic: Smart homes (Read 105282 times)

somefield · « **Reply #80 on:** December 08, 2017, 08:39:48 AM »

Check these guys out. https://www.wink.com/products/wink-hub-2/
This may be what you're looking for.

bubbles · « **Reply #81 on:** December 08, 2017, 08:41:07 AM »

Quote from: ushdadude on November 12, 2017, 11:13:58 AM

Is there a way to get WeMo light switches to interface with zwave controlled device? My alarm system is z wave but my thermostat and switches aren't.

I know the wemo outlets work with smartthings

ushdadude · « **Reply #82 on:** December 08, 2017, 09:19:20 AM »

Quote from: somefield on December 08, 2017, 08:39:48 AM

Check these guys out. https://www.wink.com/products/wink-hub-2/
This may be what you're looking for.

Do I need to switch out my WeMo for wink light switches?

ushdadude · « **Reply #83 on:** December 08, 2017, 11:21:19 AM »

I'm thinking about returning my wemo stuff for zwave stuff. My alarm panel is the honeywell tuxedo which can control anything zwave.

mgarfin · « **Reply #84 on:** January 24, 2018, 01:28:21 PM »

Quote from: efflpetzel on September 13, 2017, 05:38:22 PM

SHABBOS TIMERS:

Standard Honeywell digital timer vs smart switch

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

https://www.amazon.com/Intermatic-EJ600-Indoor-Digital-Astro/dp/B008VM6MYM/
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-RPLS730B1000-7-Day-Programmable-Switch/dp/B004SOZHXY
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Programmable-Compatible-Required-Backlight/dp/B0184R2UDU/

vs

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Required-Requires-Assistant-HS200/dp/B01EZV35QU
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Lighting-Assistant-HS210-KIT/dp/B07724HNTX
https://www.amazon.com/MEAMOR-Wireless-Required-Smartphone-Compatible/dp/B0775L8VHK
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Required-Function-Compatible-Protection/dp/B073TRS6KC

efflpetzel · « **Reply #85 on:** January 24, 2018, 01:41:36 PM »

Quote from: mgarfin on January 24, 2018, 01:28:21 PM

Thoughts?

https://www.amazon.com/Intermatic-EJ600-Indoor-Digital-Astro/dp/B008VM6MYM/
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-RPLS730B1000-7-Day-Programmable-Switch/dp/B004SOZHXY
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Programmable-Compatible-Required-Backlight/dp/B0184R2UDU/

vs

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Required-Requires-Assistant-HS200/dp/B01EZV35QU
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Lighting-Assistant-HS210-KIT/dp/B07724HNTX
https://www.amazon.com/MEAMOR-Wireless-Required-Smartphone-Compatible/dp/B0775L8VHK
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Required-Function-Compatible-Protection/dp/B073TRS6KC

No comparison.

One is a smart switch the other isn't

Yonah · « **Reply #86 on:** January 31, 2018, 09:47:44 AM »

Just found this now, couple of things:

- I have had "smart" features in my home for years. I primarily use z-wave switches and a Wink hub, and essentially I set my shabbos timers once and never touch them - save for when I add the days of the week for the yamim tovim.

- The Wink/Smarthings hubs are pretty good about being able to bridge technologies, but it's not always clear what exactly is and isn't supported

- Instead of using a ring doorbell, why not try this approach: Get 1) A digital, connected combination lock with a key backup and 2) a web cam on the front door. This way during the week you can view the door via the cam, and use an app to open or close the lock. On Shabbos you can shut the webcam off, and get into the house via the key.

- As for thermostats, I'd suggest looking at the ecobee4 (which I don't own). It's screen seems to be always on, and it has alexa built-in. One of the other features it has over nest is that it also has remote sensors which you can add to other rooms in the house to help balance out the temperature

efflpetzel · « **Reply #87 on:** January 31, 2018, 11:49:29 AM »

Can you recommend a specific digital combination lock

Yonah · « **Reply #88 on:** January 31, 2018, 06:08:13 PM »

Quote from: efflpetzel on January 31, 2018, 11:49:29 AM

Can you recommend a specific digital combination lock

Look at the Schlage Locks they're about $150 or so on Amazon, some points:

- They have two lines:
- Sense, which is designed to work primarily with iPhones and Apple homekit - you can only use this lock locally, and need to use an optional adapter to control it via the internet.
- Connect - which uses Z-Wave. You can use their app or your z-wave app to add/remove PINs. If you have a z-wave to internet gateway, you can remotely open and close the door.

- Here is a link to their sense line - https://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/products-smart-locks/schlage-connect/schlage-connect-listing.html

Shabbos Warnings:
- Obviously, make sure it has a key as a backup option.
- Most of these locks, even if you use the key and/or the knob, will log each time the door is opened or closed. Please consult your local halachic authority as to if this is permissible

efflpetzel · « **Reply #89 on:** January 31, 2018, 06:11:51 PM »

It isn't permissible, that's why I was curious to hear which lock u use.
(There's a thread somewhere here where the guy writes extensively about this issue)

Oh well

Yonah · « **Reply #90 on:** February 01, 2018, 09:02:20 AM »

Two thoughts for you:
- You *could* Disconnect the battery before shabbos and re-attach it after shabbos. It's an easy operation which you could do without tools, and it doesn't effect key operation.

- If you live in a house, you can take an alternative approach - put the smart lock on a side door or garage door that you're not likely to use on Shabbos (you're obviously not going to drive your car on shabbos).

I imagine that today's world in general poses a lot of halachic issues in the sense that we're being tracked and unaware. For example, AFAIK, a lot of hotels will give shomer shabbos people physical keys so they don't have to use the electronic ones, but I can't imagine that those aren't being tracked either. So if the issue is that turning a key is causing a computer to log your actions, you can't leave your room on shabbos.

... and if they have locks that use physical keys and don't log, you should buy one of them

Yonah · « **Reply #91 on:** February 01, 2018, 09:05:51 AM »

Here is how easy it is: https://youtu.be/zpm6C16MM7k?t=1m15s

yuneeq · « **Reply #92 on:** February 01, 2018, 10:01:13 AM »

I don't have a smart lock, but am I wrong for thinking Sephardim would permit even if logs?

ushdadude · « **Reply #93 on:** February 02, 2018, 09:48:59 AM »

If I need a door chime for my ring and dw does not want to use the ring chime itself, what do I need to look for? There is low voltage in the area so it can be wired

Definitions · « **Reply #94 on:** February 02, 2018, 10:16:32 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on February 01, 2018, 10:01:13 AM

I don't have a smart lock, but am I wrong for thinking Sephardim would permit even if logs?

Why specifically sephardim?

TribeTechReview · « **Reply #95 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:43:12 PM »

I write about the shabbos issue with smart locks (and other smart tech) on my blog at tribetechreview.wordpress.com. I think all smart locks have issues with Shabbos but presented some options that can address some issues.

TribeTechReview · « **Reply #96 on:** February 04, 2018, 01:45:55 PM »

In my latest column at Tribetechreview.wordpress.com I discuss keeping the Echo on on Shabbos. I have NOT found a rav that permits this and from personal experience recommend against leaving it on regardless. feel free to comment here or on my blog. With so many of Echos and Google Homes being sold, people need to be aware of the shabbos issues.

Yonah · « **Reply #97 on:** February 05, 2018, 05:41:22 PM »

Quote from: TribeTechReview on February 04, 2018, 01:43:12 PM

I write about the shabbos issue with smart locks (and other smart tech) on my blog at tribetechreview.wordpress.com. I think all smart locks have issues with Shabbos but presented some options that can address some issues.

Your original article was where some of the suggestions came from - namely putting the smart lock on an alternative door. Like you suggested in the article, the garage door is a good option for most people - specifically because most people will not need to be opening their garages on shabbos.

But that begs the other question - do Hotel Locks log anytime the lock is opened - regardless if you've used a standard or an electronic key.

I assume that most shomer shabbos people will ask for a standard key in a hotel but if key turns are being logged, does it make a difference?

emineh17 · « **Reply #98 on:** May 08, 2018, 12:03:24 AM »

Has anyone figured out how to turn off the motion sensing and auto away from the nest thermostat or something similar for shabbos via IFTT or Tasker?

I have one that I'm planning to install just wondering if I have to turn these features off every shabbos or there is some way that I can automate it.

thaber · « **Reply #99 on:** May 08, 2018, 12:13:47 AM »

Quote from: TribeTechReview on February 04, 2018, 01:45:55 PM

In my latest column at Tribetechreview.wordpress.com I discuss keeping the Echo on on Shabbos. I have NOT found a rav that permits this and from personal experience recommend against leaving it on regardless. feel free to comment here or on my blog. With so many of Echos and Google Homes being sold, people need to be aware of the shabbos issues.

Read your review, and thank you. I have several of the schlage FE595 locks, and my understanding from the engineering department over there is that when set to mechanical mode it is fully mechanical, and there is no logging of any sort. In your research does that make sense?