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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #225 on: November 11, 2019, 02:52:43 PM »
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one...

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #226 on: November 11, 2019, 05:11:03 PM »
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one...
I have the ecobee lights (free) but never installed them because I had exactly the same question and comment as you..  didn't do significant research but my understanding is that your analysis is correct

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #227 on: November 11, 2019, 05:15:55 PM »
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one...
I have owned the nest and currently own the ecobee. First off I think you are missing some of the "smart" function in there. even if you turn off home/away the thermostat learns from every time you change  the temp. It uses that input data to come up with a "smart schedule. Personally I didnt like it.

You are also missing the point of the remote sensors. You are correct in saying that if you choose all of them in the comfort setting it will avg all of them together. However, this is the way I use it. During the day I have it focus on the thermostat and a remote sensor in the living room. At night I have it look only at the sensors in the bedrooms. This way I avoid heating the dining room when no one is there.

In the ideal world I would have all my sensors know when someone is in the room or not and perform many functions based on that. But alas I don't want to have to remember to turn it off every shabbos.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #228 on: November 11, 2019, 05:16:22 PM »
I have the ecobee lights (free) but never installed them because I had exactly the same question and comment as you..  didn't do significant research but my understanding is that your analysis is correct
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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #229 on: November 11, 2019, 10:08:53 PM »
You are also missing the point of the remote sensors. You are correct in saying that if you choose all of them in the comfort setting it will avg all of them together. However, this is the way I use it. During the day I have it focus on the thermostat and a remote sensor in the living room. At night I have it look only at the sensors in the bedrooms. This way I avoid heating the dining room when no one is there.
That is very interesting. I didn't know it works like that. My bedrooms get too hot, so it would be nice at night to have it only use the bedroom sensor. Thank you!

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #230 on: November 11, 2019, 10:15:06 PM »
That is very interesting. I didn't know it works like that. My bedrooms get too hot, so it would be nice at night to have it only use the bedroom sensor. Thank you!

Another option is you can adjust the temperature based on your own bedroom "sensor" (any wifi/IFTTT thermostat) via IFTTT. Would work with nest or ecobee. You can set it to operate for specific times (e.g., turn temperature to 3 degrees below what it is normally at if it is a weeknight and bedroom temperature is above 72).

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #231 on: November 11, 2019, 10:17:50 PM »
Also someone pointed out that I can manually test for a few nights (just like I mentioned above for day time) and learn what temperature is comfortable in the rooms at night and then just use the schedule mode on any tstat to have it set at X temp by day (whatever is comfortable in the living spaces) and X temp by night (whatever is comfortable in the bedrooms). So that defeats that benefit of the sensors.

Now I think it comes down to the true reason to buy a nest/ecobee... because I want a cool toy.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #232 on: November 11, 2019, 10:18:46 PM »
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one...
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #233 on: November 11, 2019, 10:20:15 PM »
Also someone pointed out that I can manually test for a few nights (just like I mentioned above for day time) and learn what temperature is comfortable in the rooms at night and then just use the schedule mode on any tstat to have it set at X temp by day (whatever is comfortable in the living spaces) and X temp by night (whatever is comfortable in the bedrooms). So that defeats that benefit of the sensors.

Now I think it comes down to the true reason to buy a nest/ecobee... because I want a cool toy.
that only works if you test at different outside Temps. Your room will react differently if it's 50į or 15į. Having the ecobee just read the bedroom sensor and ru. The heat only in that is really a game changing feature. It took nest years to get a remote sensor and I'm not even sure it does all the same things.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #234 on: November 11, 2019, 10:26:59 PM »
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
Yes, I've read it before. Seems like sensors are the main reason to get ecobee/nest vs. non-name brand one, and even still you can likely learn your schedule yourself to know what to set temp at (as our parents and grandparents did for decades :P) but they're cheap enough now that I think I can splurge for a toy.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #235 on: November 11, 2019, 10:38:10 PM »
Ecobee is light years better than nest.
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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #236 on: November 11, 2019, 11:16:56 PM »
Yes, I've read it before. Seems like sensors are the main reason to get ecobee/nest vs. non-name brand one, and even still you can likely learn your schedule yourself to know what to set temp at (as our parents and grandparents did for decades :P) but they're cheap enough now that I think I can splurge for a toy.
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #237 on: November 11, 2019, 11:32:03 PM »
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.
So my sukkah lights didn't go off the first days. Once it's all set up it's golden. And whether it's true or not I feel like I'm saving money in electric.

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #238 on: November 11, 2019, 11:55:34 PM »
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.
same here. Also donít like getting hacked

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Re: Smart homes
« Reply #239 on: November 12, 2019, 02:16:52 AM »
I donít know if people do this but with my ecobee I like that I can move the sensors around instead of fiddling with AC/heat constantly. Wife cooking in the kitchen during summer, I move sensor to kitchen. Cooking during winter, I move it to a colder room.
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