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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2017, 01:52:46 AM »
I don't know where you daven, but unfortunately, as much as I love 770 and am proud of it, the talking situation in 770 leaves a lot to be desired.

Maybe people in 770 should be encouraged to look into seforim during Chazoras Hashatz, hopefully that won't do too much damage to their kids.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2017, 04:28:57 AM »
Maybe people in 770 should be encouraged to look into seforim during Chazoras Hashatz, hopefully that won't do too much damage to their kids.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2017, 08:32:21 AM »
Great that so many are aware and opposed to this epidemic ravaging our communities. Join me in taking the pledge, and be one of the fortunate ones taking a stand for the glory of hashem our king.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2017, 02:27:12 PM »
kids are not stupid they know it's lack of thinking not disrespect. Most people when shmoozeing if you'll politely remind them they would stop.
P.s. You would make a good speaker!

It depends who but a lot has to do with the parent. If a parent doesn't talk in shull, the child will generally be OK about being reminded to be quiet.

In my shull, you have guys dressing like chasidish bochurim, who manage to to hold conversations while simultaneously davening, they will sometimes break to daven with impressive shows of kavana.. Or you see guys have conversations while learning dvar malchus.

It really is one big reason of otd as we discussed in the swingers thread. It's just crum, Judaism as an empty shell.

It makes a mockery of the mikdash me-at, of tefillah, of god.

It pisses me off how the uber from litteraly spit at god, this is a epidemic in chabad (and pick up garbage tissues from the floor dammit ) yet I daven at modox shulls where women don't cover their hair, the mechitza is see through over 3 feet, and the women wear pants etc etc etc all and god forbid you would not catch these people talking in shull.

It's really why I struggle to much with orthodoxy and finding meaning, it's like Judaism is just a ritual, they would not be caught dead eating machine matza but meh talking during kaddish?  Who gives a hoot

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2017, 03:42:50 PM »
That is something which friends on the shul. The ones I daven in do not really have much of an issue with talking or  using cell phones. The real thing is that  how the crowd dresses does not say much about their connecting with God
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #35 on: May 04, 2017, 04:05:05 PM »
It depends who but a lot has to do with the parent. If a parent doesn't talk in shull, the child will generally be OK about being reminded to be quiet.

In my shull, you have guys dressing like chasidish bochurim, who manage to to hold conversations while simultaneously davening, they will sometimes break to daven with impressive shows of kavana.. Or you see guys have conversations while learning dvar malchus.

It really is one big reason of otd as we discussed in the swingers thread. It's just crum, Judaism as an empty shell.

It makes a mockery of the mikdash me-at, of tefillah, of god.

It pisses me off how the uber from litteraly spit at god, this is a epidemic in chabad (and pick up garbage tissues from the floor dammit ) yet I daven at modox shulls where women don't cover their hair, the mechitza is see through over 3 feet, and the women wear pants etc etc etc all and god forbid you would not catch these people talking in shull.

It's really why I struggle to much with orthodoxy and finding meaning, it's like Judaism is just a ritual, they would not be caught dead eating machine matza but meh talking during kaddish?  Who gives a hoot
Unfortunately, there's a lot of substance in what you write.

However, just being negative about it, or compromising something else, doesn't solve the problem.

I guess this is how and where the שטן manages to get a foothold, and the problem goes back more than 200 years, or else why would the Alter Rebbe write about it?

I have a good friend who is a Shliach somewhere in Eretz Yisroel. He told me that in his shul he had such an epidemic of cell-phones that he looked at several measures. Rather than post signs, enforce rules, etc. he opted to give a series of Shiurim about davening. He says it did wonders, cell-phone use in the shul became virtually extinct.

Unfortunately, we are all blinded by the world, and sometimes don't take the time to do some introspection and realize what the true reality is. Let's try to focus on positive ways to improve our own davening, and possibly influence people we come in contact with. That will go a lot further than whining, comlaining, or switching shuls.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2017, 05:07:36 PM »
kids are not stupid they know it's lack of thinking not disrespect. Most people when shmoozeing if you'll politely remind them they would stop.
P.s. You would make a good speaker!
Ahemmmm... Say what? Unfortunately this is becoming less and less true. The amount of busha is diminishing by the minute. There are places where, sadly, you are looked down upon for being a "frummy" for not talking/quieting down others during davening.  :'(

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2017, 05:32:57 PM »
Since we're on the topic of talking in shul...

At my shul's melave malka/dinner, one of the speakers started with this (I'm paraphrasing): When the Rov asked me to speak, I said I didn't think it was a good idea - nobody wants to hear what I have to say. To which the Rov responded "They sure seem to want to hear what you have to say on Shabbos morning during davening!" 8)

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2017, 05:45:11 PM »
and the problem goes back more than 200 years, or else why would the Alter Rebbe write about it?

Not only that, but he is quoting poskim much earlier than him. I think the one line not in the SA or MGA is in the SHLA

The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2017, 06:00:06 PM »
Rabbi Frand's Teshuva Derasha this past year was about the danger of smartphones.

R' Frand offered some suggestions for improvement based on this shiur:

1. Don't sleep with your cell phone nearby;
2. Don't let your children sleep with the cell phone in the room - they will spend half the night texting;
3. When learning with your children, don't have a cell phone nearby;
4. Don't allow the use of cellphones at meals;
5. Don't daven with your smartphone siddur.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2017, 06:41:44 PM »
Ahemmmm... Say what? Unfortunately this is becoming less and less true. The amount of busha is diminishing by the minute. There are places where, sadly, you are looked down upon for being a "frummy" for not talking/quieting down others during davening.  :'(

The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2017, 07:19:54 PM »
The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out
Please, you make it sound like this is an issue exclusive to yeshivish and the far right of orthodoxy. It may be more hypocritical for them but unfortunately  no segment of Judaism (or really anybody ) is not struggling with  this.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2017, 07:23:44 PM »
The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out
To balance things out? Instead of talking he walks out for a drink.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2017, 07:58:24 PM »
Please, you make it sound like this is an issue exclusive to yeshivish and the far right of orthodoxy. It may be more hypocritical for them but unfortunately  no segment of Judaism (or really anybody ) is not struggling with  this.
+1. IME it's not any more of a problem in right wing orthodoxy than in modern orthodoxy. But on the flip side, it's a serious problem in all these circles.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2017, 10:18:33 PM »
On a similar note & I might get bashed for saying this but the thing that most distracts me most during davening are the hatzolah guys radios in shul wether it's shabbos or the rest of the week, they go off so loud & everyone then tried to hear the details of the call, on yom kipper they wear earpieces
Why can't they wear that every shabbos?