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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2017, 06:41:44 PM »
Ahemmmm... Say what? Unfortunately this is becoming less and less true. The amount of busha is diminishing by the minute. There are places where, sadly, you are looked down upon for being a "frummy" for not talking/quieting down others during davening.  :'(

The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2017, 07:19:54 PM »
The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out
Please, you make it sound like this is an issue exclusive to yeshivish and the far right of orthodoxy. It may be more hypocritical for them but unfortunately  no segment of Judaism (or really anybody ) is not struggling with  this.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2017, 07:23:44 PM »
The irony is, that the guy that shaves, tucks his tzitzis in, wife wears pants and doesnt cover her hair, wouldnt dream of talking in shull, but they have kiddish clubs to balance things out
To balance things out? Instead of talking he walks out for a drink.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2017, 07:58:24 PM »
Please, you make it sound like this is an issue exclusive to yeshivish and the far right of orthodoxy. It may be more hypocritical for them but unfortunately  no segment of Judaism (or really anybody ) is not struggling with  this.
+1. IME it's not any more of a problem in right wing orthodoxy than in modern orthodoxy. But on the flip side, it's a serious problem in all these circles.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2017, 10:18:33 PM »
On a similar note & I might get bashed for saying this but the thing that most distracts me most during davening are the hatzolah guys radios in shul wether it's shabbos or the rest of the week, they go off so loud & everyone then tried to hear the details of the call, on yom kipper they wear earpieces
Why can't they wear that every shabbos?

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2017, 11:28:26 PM »
Ahemmmm... Say what? Unfortunately this is becoming less and less true. The amount of busha is diminishing by the minute. There are places where, sadly, you are looked down upon for being a "frummy" for not talking/quieting down others during davening.  :'(
Unfortunately, I've seen/experienced the same. Maybe gaboim should request a group of people to go to the area where people are talking and just daven LOUD in order to disturb the conversation.

Not only that, but he is quoting poskim much earlier than him. I think the one line not in the SA or MGA is in the SHLA



I wasn't referring to Halachic writings, but rather to THIS.

+1. IME it's not any more of a problem in right wing orthodoxy than in modern orthodoxy. But on the flip side, it's a serious problem in all these circles.

I won't mention names, but my friend, who's son was at Whistler for the first days of Pesach on the Mountain program, told me that his son told him about a certain father and son who were talking the entire Davening (contrasted by a certain giyores who was Davening every word from the siddur).
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2017, 11:51:20 PM »
Unfortunately, I've seen/experienced the same. Maybe gaboim should request a group of people to go to the area where people are talking and just daven LOUD in order to disturb the conversation.

I wasn't referring to Halachic writings, but rather to THIS.

I won't mention names, but my friend, who's son was at Whistler for the first days of Pesach on the Mountain program, told me that his son told him about a certain father and son who were talking the entire Davening (contrasted by a certain giyores who was Davening every word from the siddur).
Either way, as powerful as that is,  the issue certainly predates it by quite a bit. It is well known that the Tosfos Yom Tov attributed the gzeiros tach vtat to people talking in shul.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2017, 11:58:32 PM »
Either way, as powerful as that is,  the issue certainly predates it by quite a bit. It is well known that the Tosfos Yom Tov attributed the gzeiros tach vtat to people talking in shul.
As can be seen from the lashon of the mi shebeirach he made for those who are quiet in shul...

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2017, 12:52:33 AM »
Why am I shocked that this is a big problem?
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2017, 01:45:13 AM »

Why am I shocked that this is a big problem?
Go back to my lengthy post upthread. Now take the Baron Trump metaphor, and imagine that Baron got to do this 3 times a day. Baron also sees his siblings get the same treatment. He might at a certain point lose focus on how valuable his time with his father is, and not consciously appreciate it as much, unless he spends a moment or two before going into his father's chamber in introspect about his good fortune in being able to have that special audience with his father.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2017, 01:54:13 AM »
Go back to my lengthy post upthread. Now take the Baron Trump metaphor, and imagine that Baron got to do this 3 times a day. Baron also sees his siblings get the same treatment. He might at a certain point lose focus on how valuable his time with his father is, and not consciously appreciate it as much, unless he spends a moment or two before going into his father's chamber in introspect about his good fortune in being able to have that special audience with his father.
Here is why I am shocked. I always look at those that follow Judaism to adhere to their religion more than those of the religion I follow. I never see phones in use or even vibrate during our Sunday services.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2017, 01:59:11 AM »
Here is why I am shocked. I always look at those that follow Judaism to adhere to their religion more than those of the religion I follow. I never see phones in use or even vibrate during our Sunday services.

its once a week on a sunday morning.

try doing it once a day in the middle of business hours and see what happens over time

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2017, 01:59:28 AM »
Here is why I am shocked. I always look at those that follow Judaism to adhere to their religion more than those of the religion I follow. I never see phones in use or even vibrate during our Sunday services.
Try doing it three times a day and I'd bet your see a lot more phones.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2017, 02:00:13 AM »
try doing it once a day in the middle of business hours and see what happens over time
Would not make any difference.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2017, 02:00:29 AM »
Also you go with your wife. If I went to shul with my wife as crazy as it sounds I probably would be on a little better behavior.

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2017, 02:01:06 AM »
Try doing it three times a day and I'd bet your see a lot more phones.
Probably see three times as many!
0 x 3 = 0  :P
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2017, 02:01:53 AM »
Also you go with your family wife.
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #57 on: May 05, 2017, 02:03:13 AM »
Would not make any difference.
Source?

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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #58 on: May 05, 2017, 02:07:20 AM »
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Re: Cell-phones/talking in Shul
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2017, 02:07:23 AM »
Here is why I am shocked. I always look at those that follow Judaism to adhere to their religion more than those of the religion I follow. I never see phones in use or even vibrate during our Sunday services.
I have an answer to this yet frustratingly enough I can't figure out how to put it in writing in a way that would seem coherent. So I won't but I shall let it be known that an answer exists.